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Old August 16th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #8321
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I wish I could write as well as you my friend - I think you nailed my feelings about the design.
Thank you. Part of it comes from having to explain my thoughts several times over on this thread! Without discouraging differences of opinion, of course.
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Old August 16th, 2013, 11:37 PM   #8322
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I wish I could write as well as you my friend - I think you nailed my feelings about the design.
I think the artistic side comes from the use of vertical and linear emphasis. It's a building that doesn't require sculptures to make an impact. If it had a crown it would look like a Dubai tower, which would turn it into a totally different building.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 01:31 AM   #8323
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I think the artistic side comes from the use of vertical and linear emphasis. It's a building that doesn't require sculptures to make an impact. If it had a crown it would look like a Dubai tower, which would turn it into a totally different building.
I agree with this. I personally feel they found a nice ratio in terms of width/height. If they stopped constructing the building right now, it would look like some stub, whereas if they added a new section of 12 stories to the top it would appear a bit awkward. There's really no way of putting this objectively except to say that the ratio fits nicely.

And because of this nice ratio, it doesn't seem to be cut off randomly.

Also, to use the opinion that buildings have to have crowns/spires/fins so people can extrapolate what's what in a skyline is kind of caving into to the idea of what's standard in architecture. They tried something very bold, very unique and came out with something that fits nicely.

I also think narrowing the building to a point using some spire or crown would create an uneven distribution of "apex's" in the skyline. Chicago has two buildings with prominent spires on either end of the downtown core, the Sears Tower and John Hancock Center making the skyline taper well. Meanwhile in NYC we already have so many of these spires, such as the ESB, Bank of America Tower, Conde Nast, etc, that adding another one to the mix (along with a possible Nordstrom Tower spire) would start making the skyline look a bit repetitive.

All my opinion however.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 02:15 AM   #8324
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The building is so thin that it could be topped out already
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Old August 17th, 2013, 02:53 AM   #8325
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The M760D is the crane on 56 Street, the 57 Street crane is the M220D. I could be wrong about the Potain replacement crane being a hammerhead. Potain offers both the hammerhead, as well as luffing tower cranes. Most of the Potains I have seen were of the hammerhead style. We'll have to see what shows up when the time comes.
I think its an MR415 that is coming.

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Old August 17th, 2013, 11:32 AM   #8326
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Old August 17th, 2013, 12:53 PM   #8327
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New camera position is great.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 04:03 PM   #8328
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I think the artistic side comes from the use of vertical and linear emphasis. It's a building that doesn't require sculptures to make an impact. If it had a crown it would look like a Dubai tower, which would turn it into a totally different building.
Just so we're all clear, when architects mention a crown that doesn't necessarily mean a spire, sculpture or some ornamental cap stuck on top. Rather the crown is the crafting of shape and elements the signify the top of the tower. The Twin Towers had crowns, for instance.

And since you mention verticality I'd contend this building would've benefitted from elements emphasizing that. The shape of the windows and blocky geometry works against it, I feel. OMO.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 04:48 PM   #8329
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Wow the new view is fantastic, I get why it took so long, the guy was enjoying the view. My favourite cam view in the city.

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This is really from the highest possible point on the Bloomberg Tower, so 246 meter high, imagine 432 will be 180 meters higher than this point.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #8330
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And since you mention verticality I'd contend this building would've benefitted from elements emphasizing that. The shape of the windows and blocky geometry works against it, I feel. OMO.
Once of my main criticisms for this building was that the windows should have been a bit thinner to allow for a greater vertical emphasis, so I agree.
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Old August 17th, 2013, 07:40 PM   #8331
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The building is so thin that it could be topped out already

Who care about China?
ESB was built in a year more than..... eighty years ago!!..
In fifty years,if they did not collapse,they will have the same standards other there(city planning,cost of labour,unions,and so on....)
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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:03 PM   #8332
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Who care about China?
ESB was built in a year more than..... eighty years ago!!..
In fifty years,if they did not collapse,they will have the same standards other there(city planning,cost of labour,unions,and so on....)
What has this to do with 432park ave?
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Old August 17th, 2013, 08:20 PM   #8333
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59th Street cam is screwing up now, and Park Avenue Cam won't even load.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 01:29 AM   #8334
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WOW! Really cool looking skyscraper, can't wait to see it finished.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 01:41 AM   #8335
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I saw the cranes from the Great Lawn in Central Park! I can't wait for this tower to be completed. It will be a beautiful and elegant addition to the skyline.
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Old August 18th, 2013, 03:00 AM   #8336
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Can someone post a link to web cam ?
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Old August 18th, 2013, 03:15 AM   #8337
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Old August 18th, 2013, 03:35 AM   #8338
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Old August 18th, 2013, 04:45 AM   #8339
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that white bldg in the new cam view is pretty damn tall itself,, anybody know its name?? Looks residential as well. I think I found it on ssp, is it 20 Excange Place??or four seasons hotel?
You're right that it's pretty damn tall, but you're off by about 4 miles with your first guess on the location.... Second guess is correct though - it's the Four Seasons hotel on 57th Street.

(If I'm not mistaken, that's where the 57th Street web cam used to live...)
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Old August 18th, 2013, 05:27 AM   #8340
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Went by the site for the first time in about five weeks. Nice to see all the progress up close.

First from 57th Street.

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Now from Park and 56th:

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That elevator system is huge.

In person you can see it is still a bit shorter than its Park Avenue neighbor. I think one more core jump, at most two, and it pulls even.

It looks like a regular NYC skyscraper now. Can't wait until another 4 or 5 months when it starts looking anything but ordinary.
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