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Old August 30th, 2013, 03:00 PM   #8501
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quiet on the site today. Looks like they maybe gave them an extra long weekend. Probably no work until Tuesday.

I have to say. The workers deserve it. They've worked hard all summer.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 04:37 PM   #8502
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Sorry for the bad quality but what is the building under construction in the photo below (with the crane on top).. It can't be 432 park, right?

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Old August 30th, 2013, 04:44 PM   #8503
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Sorry for the bad quality but what is the building under construction in the photo below (with the crane on top).. It can't be 432 park, right?
Yea, that's definitely not 432.. That is 50 UN Plaza located on 46th street.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 05:08 PM   #8504
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Since yesterday afternoon I haven't seen activity at the site, Today looking at the cameras, I don't see any person or another sign of activity there, the cranes seem idle.
Could it be that they gave all these days as a part of the Labor Day holiday?

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Old August 30th, 2013, 06:32 PM   #8505
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And we also keep in mind the quality of lives for the construction workers.
So China builds towers so the construction will be a show, and they don't mind construction workers' lives?!?!?!? Well, that's not surprising.
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Old August 30th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #8506
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I love this image. It really puts this building into perspective. I would be kind'a scared living in such a skinny building, that's also this tall.

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you uploaded your old version with the wrong height. you also created a new version including the spire that represents the current height of the project better:
roof is at 725m acording to the diagram we last saw, with the coffee house



also SSP represents the height in a perfect way aswell
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Old August 30th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #8507
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Well, here's what those hollow beams look like.


The point was that 432 and 1LP both are a nice change from glass clad buildings. Instead, they allow structure to show through and break up the monotony of a perfectly flat facade. That is my favorite thing about the New York skyline, it isn't all glass. This building provides excellent variety in the cityscape.
I think that whole area between the two slits is hollow once you go about an inch into those beams. I can promise you, my dad inspected them and they're totally hollow. Just knock on one of them and you can tell.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 05:27 AM   #8508
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Very simple design, i really enjoy it. This reminds me of the Sears Tower in Chicago.! It was a beauty to see every morning on my way to work, now i look forward to seeing this one when i visit New York again some day!

Love the live camera by the way!
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:25 AM   #8509
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And we also keep in mind the quality of lives for the construction workers.
There is a photo where workers sat on a steal pice at 300m on the empire state building without any security ropes and ate lunch back in the 40s .
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:27 AM   #8510
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Don't fool yourself. Some of NYC was built for show and some of the most iconic skyscrapers were unprofitable for many years after being built. Also, buildings in nearly every city are built for the same reasons as in NYC. Most are profitable immediately but some take years to find tenants.

The city is impressive enough that we don't need to denigrate other cities and nations in an attempt to make it seem better. That just makes us look bad.
You are sooo right....don't denigrate other nations ..
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:34 AM   #8511
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There is a photo where workers sat on a steal pice at 300m on the empire state building without any security ropes and ate lunch back in the 40s .

That is one of the most popular pictures of the ESB ever. Every time I see it, my Palms get sweaty
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:59 AM   #8512
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There is a photo where workers sat on a steal pice at 300m on the empire state building without any security ropes and ate lunch back in the 40s .
That was 80 years ago. The labor laws are much stricter nowadays. Workers must wear bright clothing, protective head gear, must install orange netting to protect falls, etc. Using an example from a dated era does not constitute a proper argument.

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So China builds towers so the construction will be a show, and they don't mind construction workers' lives?!?!?!? Well, that's not surprising.
They live on site. Away from their families.

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Don't fool yourself. Some of NYC was built for show and some of the most iconic skyscrapers were unprofitable for many years after being built. Also, buildings in nearly every city are built for the same reasons as in NYC. Most are profitable immediately but some take years to find tenants.

The city is impressive enough that we don't need to denigrate other cities and nations in an attempt to make it seem better. That just makes us look bad.
I disagree, the only building this logic may apply to is the 1 WTC as it's not completely full with tenants. (Still has a few tenants regardless.) 2 WTC and 3 WTC are not being built for the sole lack of demand. Multiple buildings are proposed in America, and if there isn't a demand for it, it isn't financed and it does not get built. We are not insecure about this stuff. You can pull past examples from 80 years ago in the Great Drepression thirties where they built the ESB, but they proposed it during the late twenties.

The Chicago spire was not built because of lack of demand.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 07:31 AM   #8513
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There is a photo where workers sat on a steal pice at 300m on the empire state building without any security ropes and ate lunch back in the 40s .
Not that it really matters, but just as a matter of public record, the famous photo I assume you're referencing is actually of Rockefeller Center. It's a common misconception. The photo is called Lunch Atop a Skyscraper.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 01:39 PM   #8514
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What is the footprint of 432 Park Avenue?
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Old August 31st, 2013, 03:01 PM   #8515
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What is the footprint of 432 Park Avenue?
according to this plan, 93' 6", or 28.5m
Also, the windows are about 3.2m wide, and the columns are about 1.33m wide
Assuming the beams are the same width, the windows are about 3.4m high, so presumably the actual windows are a 3.2m square, and the bits on the bottom are 3.2m x 0.2m to fill in the rest.
The building will be 90 windows high, and is 6 windows wide, so ignoring the base (6 floors), and taking into account the mech floors, there will be 6 wide x 12 high x 4 sides x 6 blocks = 1728 windows with a surface area of 17,700 m^2, or 1.77 hectares, or 4.37 acres of glass!
Ignoring the top and the base, the cladding consists of 51.6% concrete, 39.1% windows, 2.4% window sills, and 6.9% empty mech.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 04:02 PM   #8516
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Looks like workers got the long weekend off.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:26 PM   #8517
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That was 80 years ago. The labor laws are much stricter nowadays. Workers must wear bright clothing, protective head gear, must install orange netting to protect falls, etc. Using an example from a dated era does not constitute a proper argument.



They live on site. Away from their families.



I disagree, the only building this logic may apply to is the 1 WTC as it's not completely full with tenants. (Still has a few tenants regardless.) 2 WTC and 3 WTC are not being built for the sole lack of demand. Multiple buildings are proposed in America, and if there isn't a demand for it, it isn't financed and it does not get built. We are not insecure about this stuff. You can pull past examples from 80 years ago in the Great Drepression thirties where they built the ESB, but they proposed it during the late twenties.

The Chicago spire was not built because of lack of demand.
The Empire State Building wasn't filled up till the mid-50's. It was referred to as the Empty State Building for nearly 2 decades.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:31 PM   #8518
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NYC in the 1930s was like Dubai in the 2000s. The Chrysler Building was about the only one with full occupancy.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:35 PM   #8519
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What I find interesting about this building is that it looks like most buildings in a city drawing I drew when I was 4. The architect surely took his time designing this one, just stack the 3rd floor 86 times on top of eachother and there you go.

I know it is not done yet, but that's not an excuse for such a lazy design.

Atleast it will be interesting to see it rise, considering it's height and location.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 06:59 PM   #8520
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according to this plan, 93' 6", or 28.5m
Also, the windows are about 3.2m wide, and the columns are about 1.33m wide
Assuming the beams are the same width, the windows are about 3.4m high, so presumably the actual windows are a 3.2m square, and the bits on the bottom are 3.2m x 0.2m to fill in the rest.
The building will be 90 windows high, and is 6 windows wide, so ignoring the base (6 floors), and taking into account the mech floors, there will be 6 wide x 12 high x 4 sides x 6 blocks = 1728 windows with a surface area of 17,700 m^2, or 1.77 hectares, or 4.37 acres of glass!
Ignoring the top and the base, the cladding consists of 51.6% concrete, 39.1% windows, 2.4% window sills, and 6.9% empty mech.
Wow, thanks for the info.
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