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Old August 31st, 2013, 08:49 PM   #8521
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I don't think this architect is lazy. Instead, I'd say he has a lot of nerve and creativity. Of course, anyone can think of the design, but it's childish, almost. That's why anyone can think of it. But can someone take the principles of a "normal" skyscraper and make it unproportional and a supertall? And can just ANYONE think of the 2 story gaps? We should clap for the architect.

Who's the architect for this building, anyway?
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Old August 31st, 2013, 09:21 PM   #8522
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I am no expert on engineering,so I can't resist asking that is such a thin building going to be stable at such a height?
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Old August 31st, 2013, 09:30 PM   #8523
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It uses incredibly strong concrete, tons of rebar, and a tuned mass damper.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 09:49 PM   #8524
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Who's the architect for this building, anyway?
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Old August 31st, 2013, 10:08 PM   #8525
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I am no expert on engineering,so I can't resist asking that is such a thin building going to be stable at such a height?
You don't really have to be an engineer to assess that. If the tower is being built, it means there is no uncertainity regarding its stability. You'd be hard pressed to find a developer throwing money at a project he isn't sure whether will remain standing once finished. Besides, the building would never had got a permit if any of the necessary calculations were dropped, or showed signs of instability.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 10:19 PM   #8526
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What I find interesting about this building is that it looks like most buildings in a city drawing I drew when I was 4. The architect surely took his time designing this one, just stack the 3rd floor 86 times on top of eachother and there you go.

I know it is not done yet, but that's not an excuse for such a lazy design.

Atleast it will be interesting to see it rise, considering it's height and location.
You can look at it that way. That way minimalism in interior design is just a lazy arrangement of few pieces of simple white furniture, music with only few simple tones is lazy melody, Japanese flag is lazy art, etc.

I see there beautiful example of minimalism in architecture, which is equal to baroque architecture or art deco architecture. And I find it interesting how architect managed to design a 426 m building so simple but fully functionable.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 10:19 PM   #8527
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The Empire State Building wasn't filled up till the mid-50's. It was referred to as the Empty State Building for nearly 2 decades.
Because...as I said before, it was planned in the late 20's when the economy was sustaining a massive boost. It was also built to create nearly 3,500 jobs for depression area citizens. (The whole thing was constructed in just over a year.)

And I said before, past examples do not constitute our take on constructing building currently.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 10:54 PM   #8528
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Minimalism is not lazy art. It's the people who are too lazy to find meaning or beauty in it.
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Old August 31st, 2013, 11:04 PM   #8529
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Minimalism for millions
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Old September 1st, 2013, 12:28 AM   #8530
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Minimalism is not lazy art. It's the people who are too lazy to find meaning or beauty in it.
This had to be said. Well done
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Old September 1st, 2013, 12:30 AM   #8531
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Imagine if one of New York's supertalls rose FASTER than Ping An or other Chinese supertalls!
You have to remember though, that the whole of 432 Park Ave is smaller than just the core of Ping Am. the quantity of work and labour hours is vastly different.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:13 AM   #8532
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Minimalism is not lazy art. It's the people who are too lazy to find meaning or beauty in it.
Beauty is subjective, there is no such thing as being too lazy to find beauty in something. It all depends on the person who is observing it.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:23 AM   #8533
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I don't know, I've visited tons of museums of art with some friends who just took one glance at a minimalist piece and just called it a few shapes drawn here and there. Then I told him to look closer at it and look behind the simple shapes and he saw that there was more to the painting than that. As for minimalist architecture, there are plenty of interesting aspects that can be found in the overall form and use of lines and lighting. Beauty does not always have to come from superficial, in-your-face sulptures on the side of a building, or twisted structural forms. It can come from repetition of form, linear emphasis, and use of proportion, to name a few aspects.

I see you took the quote from that guy on SSP, which is also not really true. Less can indeed be more, as long as the overall effect is kept at a high level. That's the beauty of minimalism when it is done right.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 02:26 AM   #8534
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Old September 1st, 2013, 03:17 AM   #8535
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I think 432 is elegant in its simplicity, although I'd like to see a 2 foot extension built on top of it to bring it to a full 1400 feet ... maybe some solar panels???
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Old September 1st, 2013, 03:54 AM   #8536
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I think 432 is elegant in its simplicity, although I'd like to see a 2 foot extension built on top of it to bring it to a full 1400 feet ... maybe some solar panels???
That reminds me, can someone offer an explanation as to why SSP has 1398ft/432m as their title? It doesn't make any sense.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 04:12 AM   #8537
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Minimalism is not lazy art. It's the people who are too lazy to find meaning or beauty in it.
It is a tour-de-force of minimalism.

If only, instead of a flat roof, they would top it off with a pyramid ... we would have a perfect obelisk!!!
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Old September 1st, 2013, 05:55 AM   #8538
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Will this have an observation deck? They should make one
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Old September 1st, 2013, 06:06 AM   #8539
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Most likely since this will be an ultra-posh residencial building nope.
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Old September 1st, 2013, 07:09 AM   #8540
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although people see it like any other building, but the fact that the architect can stand up through a lot of distaste of being unproportional structure / plain / too simple ect, and STILL being built, it's amazing.
this is the example of how open minded person refrains from normality / mainstream opinion.
if back then he redesign the structure into a "proportional" version like 180m / 210m, i wouldn't bother visiting this thread for updates.
so.. no, he is not lazy.
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