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Old September 9th, 2013, 03:46 AM   #8641
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Does anybody know how thick the glass would have to be to accommodate the massive area?
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Old September 9th, 2013, 04:32 PM   #8642
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Does anybody know how thick the glass would have to be to accommodate the massive area?
I bet outside glass has to be 4 mm + 4 mm laminated minimum to avoid birds flying in.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 04:40 PM   #8643
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I bet outside glass has to be 4 mm + 4 mm laminated minimum to avoid birds flying in.
IIRC it's the exterior tinting/treatment that's the factor w/re to management of birds. At least, last I checked the structural weight necessary for handling structural and wind loads of conventional sized tall building glass more than sufficed for incoming fowl. Granted, that was about 12 years ago.
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Old September 9th, 2013, 04:42 PM   #8644
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IIRC it's the exterior tinting/treatment that's the factor w/re to management of birds. At least, last I checked the structural weight necessary for handling structural and wind loads of conventional sized tall building glass more than sufficed for incoming fowl. Granted, that was about 12 years ago.
I see...

http://www.quora.com/Skyscrapers/Wha...n-a-skyscraper
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Old September 10th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #8645
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if i was one of the construction workers for this building, id just slap a cinder block on top and call it 1400 feet.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 04:01 AM   #8646
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I walked by on 9-9. It's very imposing already.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 04:21 AM   #8647
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if i was one of the construction workers for this building, id just slap a cinder block on top and call it 1400 feet.
I think some sort of solar power generation crown would be able to be mounted on top of this tower to make the extra 2 feet ...
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Old September 10th, 2013, 07:19 AM   #8648
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What a dull building. Looks like it was designed on this...

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Old September 10th, 2013, 07:35 AM   #8649
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quick question-current height 120m?
im updating diagram of next worlds tallest resi tower

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Old September 10th, 2013, 07:36 AM   #8650
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People thought 4 World Trade was a boring building once too. How things have changed ...
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Old September 10th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #8651
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as i predicted,
432 park ave is zooming up and will take over Mumbias tower to become worlds tallest resi for a short time!

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Old September 10th, 2013, 09:59 AM   #8652
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Maybe to the end of the week 432 PA will be 150 m+.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 05:39 PM   #8653
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I bet outside glass has to be 4 mm + 4 mm laminated minimum to avoid birds flying in.
double that thickness and you'll be pretty close.. and it is for wind loads - not bird impact (although birds are very relative)
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Old September 10th, 2013, 07:59 PM   #8654
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double that thickness and you'll be pretty close.. and it is for wind loads - not bird impact (although birds are very relative)

No read the link I handed it is 7-9 mm laminated glass outside.
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Old September 10th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #8655
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as i predicted,
432 park ave is zooming up and will take over Mumbias tower to become worlds tallest resi for a short time!

I think you already can make that 130m.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 12:50 AM   #8656
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Lots of perimeter rebar went in today. Forms should go up tomorrow, followed by the next core jump on Thursday.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 01:23 AM   #8657
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Yay! Rising fast!
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Old September 11th, 2013, 03:38 AM   #8658
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Thank you sir! At last post of some value. As I thought no pictures of glass were most likely posted here on ssc yet even though apparently some were already posted on ssp. Love the glass - almost transparent with gentle green tint. Really nice. Btw the page at ssp you linked to also consist of some close up renders revealing details of how the facade will look like which I think weren't posted here at ssc yet too. The intervals between glass panel and the concrete gives a really nice effect plus it seems the test panels already installed still consist some white tape on the edges (even those uncovered). Without this tape the glass will most likely look even better

here's the render:

Great render.

Let's also take a moment to remember how previous renders were interpreted. There was much speculation if the glass would be inset or flush with the concrete exterior. Many people were absolutely convinced that the renders had to be perfectly accurate and confirmed that the windows would be flush with the concrete.

It was an uphill and probably fruitless battle to convince some people that early renders aren't terribly reliable. Now that the glass is up, it has been confirmed that the early renders didn't provide a good depiction of the end result. At least I was surprised by the gap between the concrete and glass.

I find the gap adds a nice bit of detail to the facade. The perfectly flat and featureless nature of glass clad skyscrapers has never impressed me. That's where 432's design is unique. Despite being a repetitive grid, it actually has more detail than most other modern glass box skyscrapers. While basically a tall rectangle, it has diversity of material as well as 3D texture. That texture comes from both the gap around the windows but also the open floors.

432 is going to stand out in real life. The plane shape seen in renders will ironically be one of the more detailed facades of recent New York skyscrapers. The detail is repetitive but unique. I can't wait to see it finished!
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Old September 11th, 2013, 03:48 AM   #8659
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I disagree. I'm a big fan of recessed windows for Art Deco buildings and such, but for international buildings flush windows make it look slick, per se Trump World Tower.
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Old September 11th, 2013, 03:58 AM   #8660
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If it provides a veritcal or horizontal emphasis such as the case with Mies Van Der Rohe's designs, (Decorative yet minimalist I-beams) or Yamasaki's World Trade Center, I find it great. Fins and recessed windows can look great on International Style Buildings.

432 Park Avenue seems to have a rather neutral facade emphasis, due to the perfectly square grid. The verticality comes from the height.
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