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Old December 19th, 2011, 08:27 PM   #901
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an architect is an engineer
As an almost-finished engineering student who transferred from architecture, I take offense to that. Architecture is a design-centered major and they do that well, but know almost nothing when it comes to physics. They have barely 2 classes of structures (depending on the college you attend, but I'm comparing with the program I was going to take and it was 2nd and first in the US for the past few years, not sure now). Comparing the scientific based knowledge of engineers to an architect's education, is laughable, sorry.


As for the tower, I can't make an opinion yet. Renders can be deceiving, and with such a simple design, the facade can make all the difference. I'm confident though that the architect who designed it did his homework.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 12:07 AM   #902
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engineering doesnt specify soley on physics. economics and art are both within the field of engineering and are VERY much used by architects. i could be wrong but i assume that most architects have more than an understanding of atleast civil engineering which they use into their designs.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 05:41 AM   #903
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Thanks for the render. I think 432 Park looks far better than those russian towers even though it has no facade there
What I like about Russian towers is that they are not simply vertical. I'd also love to see some sort of breaks in the tower - so the design will be less simplistic.

maybe something like this


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Old December 20th, 2011, 10:17 PM   #904
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The sectioned tower actually looks really good. Reminds me of that Calatrava project that was cancelled in downtown Manhattan.


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engineering doesnt specify soley on physics. economics and art are both within the field of engineering and are VERY much used by architects. i could be wrong but i assume that most architects have more than an understanding of atleast civil engineering which they use into their designs.
Economics yes, to a certain extent based on the engineering type (systems more than civil). But no, the civil engineering knowledge of architects is extremely limited (at least the one studied in college).
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Old December 20th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #905
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I'm sure the average architect doesn't know much; but a high leveled architect designing a tower such as this should have an extensive background in the subject.
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Old December 20th, 2011, 11:51 PM   #906
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But if an architect could do engineering work no engineers would be needed, yet every construction has it's engineer so I agree with romanamerican, an architect just doesn't have the tech knowledge of an engineer. Architects design how the building will look and engineers design how it will stand and perform
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Old December 20th, 2011, 11:57 PM   #907
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The sectioned tower actually looks really good. Reminds me of that Calatrava project that was cancelled in downtown Manhattan.


that is exactly what I was talking about all along. minor modifications of the design will make it much more interesting from the original simplistic form.
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Old December 21st, 2011, 01:06 AM   #908
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Kanto im not saying an architect has the full on knowledge of an engineer. and engineer is always needed for structures. im saying that an architect that wants to design a massive structure as such they must have a good understanding of engineering or else the designs they would have would just be too ridiculous.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 05:01 PM   #909
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that is exactly what I was talking about all along. minor modifications of the design will make it much more interesting from the original simplistic form.

True, and I completely agree. We are going to have to wait for a good realistic render or the real thing before starting with any judgment.




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Kanto im not saying an architect has the full on knowledge of an engineer. and engineer is always needed for structures. im saying that an architect that wants to design a massive structure as such they must have a good understanding of engineering or else the designs they would have would just be too ridiculous.
Having seen my fair share of proposals by architects BEFORE any consultations with an engineer, I can tell you a lot of them show a complete lack of specific knowledge. After feedback/collaboration with structural engineers, the design goes through some heavy modifications. There are obviously exceptions (Calatrava for example majored in engineering if I recollect correctly). And architecture firms have civil/structural engineers employed for full collaboration. But it's by far a minority, reason why I answered the way I did the first time.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 10:52 PM   #910
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are they now making a concrete wall?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 06:06 PM   #911
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Can we see a new picture of the site?
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 06:44 PM   #912
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 07:46 PM   #913
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Yup, there's a webcam. I wanted to take a look on it one hour ago, unfortunately the site didn't load
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Old December 23rd, 2011, 07:47 PM   #914
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Can we see a new picture of the site?
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Old December 24th, 2011, 09:33 PM   #915
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New diagram of 432 park is up on SSP. It looks much better in it i think.
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Old December 24th, 2011, 10:36 PM   #916
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Yes it does Here for folks who don't wanna search for it:

[IMG]http://i39.************/2duxkjd.jpg[/IMG]
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Old December 25th, 2011, 09:24 AM   #917
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We'll see. High-quality metal panels on the facade could look striking.

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Old December 25th, 2011, 01:09 PM   #918
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Since the Pentominium is now virtually dead, won't this one be the second tallest residential building after Mumbai One (442m)? Or are there other residential towers planned?
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Old December 25th, 2011, 01:35 PM   #919
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I thought this was gonna be mixed use
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Old December 25th, 2011, 02:54 PM   #920
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AFAIK the CTBUH calls a tower "residential" when at least 70% are only used for residential purposes. And this one should aim that percantage.
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