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Old November 20th, 2013, 08:20 PM   #9761
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Update from Europe november 21 (7:30 pm in Holland and 1.30 pm in New York):
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Old November 20th, 2013, 08:35 PM   #9762
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I don't think so...the climbing form only forms one floor at a time. It does have some structure (work platform) above the story it is pouring...but the form itself only encompasses one level.
I just checked the webcam with a ruler and found out that the height of the core climbing form system is identical to the height of the two floors below it. According to my measurements it teherfore really is 2 floors high
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Old November 20th, 2013, 09:24 PM   #9763
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Correct!! At least that's how it is in the U.S.

It really doesn't matter at this point as tim1807 made it clear what he meant.

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Anyway. Given the current pace, anyone want to take a guess at how tall this thing will be the week of Dec. 12? I was gonna call the Four Seasons about renting their penthouse, and wanted to squeeze them for a discount since that south-facing view should be blocked by then...
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Old November 20th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #9764
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I just checked the webcam with a ruler and found out that the height of the core climbing form system is identical to the height of the two floors below it. According to my measurements it teherfore really is 2 floors high
Even measuring the whole thing, for me is still a bit less than two floors, but in any case you shouldn't count it that way (the whole thing) since not all is "used" I mean, it takes a bit of space of the floor bellow and they need some space to spare above the floor they are working at the moment. Besides, the "roof" of the climbing system is bellow what you see, there is a working space above it, with some kind of handrail or protection that makes it look taller.

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And this scheme from the manufacturer, where you can clearly see they work with only a floor at a time encased inside the climbing system.
http://www.doka.com/web/references/index.en.php#12816

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Old November 20th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #9765
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Gentlemen,

The number of completed poured floors is 36. The current floor being formed is the 37th floor, a typical residential floor. According to my calculations, the building is 41 percent of total height (measured from the sidewalk grade to the currently formed floor, excluding the core and core form).

The core form represents a single story, plus working platform above. A good photo to confirm this, is Mr. Berenholtz photo of the core form with the ESB and Chrysler Building in the background, with the new Potain crane partially assembled. This photo was taken nearly straight-on to the core form, with a single opening below it. There would only be a single core story being formed and poured within.

Down below, on 56 Street, perimeter beam reinforcement appears on the platform above the concrete pump station, and on the Park Avenue side of the same cam view, partial steel decking has been installed on the second level of the structure.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #9766
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I just checked the webcam with a ruler and found out that the height of the core climbing form system is identical to the height of the two floors below it. According to my measurements it teherfore really is 2 floors high
I think you measured 2 floors because the netting under the form covers up part of the second floor of the core (you can see how it covers the horizontal concrete part above the opening in the core). Also, the edge of the form extends up for a few feet, so it should actually be only one floor.
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Old November 20th, 2013, 11:06 PM   #9767
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Gentlemen,

The number of completed poured floors is 36. The current floor being formed is the 37th floor, a typical residential floor. According to my calculations, the building is 41 percent of total height (measured from the sidewalk grade to the currently formed floor, excluding the core and core form).

The core form represents a single story, plus working platform above. A good photo to confirm this, is Mr. Berenholtz photo of the core form with the ESB and Chrysler Building in the background, with the new Potain crane partially assembled. This photo was taken nearly straight-on to the core form, with a single opening below it. There would only be a single core story being formed and poured within.

Down below, on 56 Street, perimeter beam reinforcement appears on the platform above the concrete pump station, and on the Park Avenue side of the same cam view, partial steel decking has been installed on the second level of the structure.

Exactly...Thank you!
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Old November 21st, 2013, 01:53 PM   #9768
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From 9 october to 21 november.

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Old November 21st, 2013, 02:42 PM   #9769
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The building at this time, look at the shadow on the IBM Building of the Sun, which at this time is almost perpendicular (but not completely) to the facades. It almost reach the top of the building, if you add the little angle at this time, it must be even or a little bit taller than the 603 ft of that building. (I go with the counting of jconyc of 36 floors on the perimeter and 39 on the core, including the one they are working on now - 604.5 ft)



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Old November 21st, 2013, 11:26 PM   #9770
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Next floor slabs for the Apple facility seem to be in place now. I believe that puts it at street level.
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 03:53 AM   #9771
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The building at this time, look at the shadow on the IBM Building of the Sun, which at this time is almost perpendicular (but not completely) to the facades. It almost reach the top of the building, if you add the little angle at this time, it must be even or a little bit taller than the 603 ft of that building. (I go with the counting of jconyc of 36 floors on the perimeter and 39 on the core, including the one they are working on now - 604.5 ft)



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Old November 22nd, 2013, 03:56 AM   #9772
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Looks like Kanto will have to drop a floor on his diagrams. Glad we got this cleared up.
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 03:57 PM   #9773
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Even measuring the whole thing, for me is still a bit less than two floors, but in any case you shouldn't count it that way (the whole thing) since not all is "used" I mean, it takes a bit of space of the floor bellow and they need some space to spare above the floor they are working at the moment. Besides, the "roof" of the climbing system is bellow what you see, there is a working space above it, with some kind of handrail or protection that makes it look taller.

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And this scheme from the manufacturer, where you can clearly see they work with only a floor at a time encased inside the climbing system.
http://www.doka.com/web/references/index.en.php#12816

This is a better pic to assess the height of the core than the webcam I used, so I agree with you. Thanks for correcting me. I will apply this correction to my next diagram update

According to this pic the current height should be 610 feet, or 186 meters when measured to the roof of the core climbing form structure, which is a little above the top of the 39th apparent floor

Edit: I used this pic for my diagrams but I agree with you that this is a less accurate pic:

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Old November 22nd, 2013, 07:13 PM   #9774
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You know was taking a good look at the site this morning the steel they are putting up on the corner of 57/Park seems very massive, on the second they have put some very large X bracing that seem appropriate for a fairly tall structure. I know in the drawings showed a building maybe 5 stories tall but these appear overly large for a structure that small. does anyone know anything more about how big this building will be or possible tenants??? it going up fast with at least two flat beds of steel arriving every morning
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 07:30 PM   #9775
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Construction on the "apple store" is well underway. Looks like it has a few floors to it.

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Old November 22nd, 2013, 09:15 PM   #9776
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Guys can you tell me if there is some damping systems in this building like tuned mass damper or water tank at the top of the building. This system could be very good to reduce the total drift of the skyscraper.
Please let me know
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 09:26 PM   #9777
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This tower is a sign of the future, and i think this could be that building everybody will still talk about a hundred years from now just like with Chrysler and ESB. There are so many new towers that are built in all those years in NY, but only a few turn out as absolute classics. Of course there are extreme pencil towers like this all in China for example, but this one is so freaking tall and slim, it will certainly blow our imagination. This tower will be an absolute Icon.
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 09:37 PM   #9778
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Guys can you tell me if there is some damping systems in this building like tuned mass damper or water tank at the top of the building. This system could be very good to reduce the total drift of the skyscraper.
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Yes there will be a mass damper in the tower.
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 09:41 PM   #9779
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What is an actual high (built)?
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Old November 22nd, 2013, 10:01 PM   #9780
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Yes there will be a mass damper in the tower.
Tim are u sure? And you know which kind of mass dumper is? and where it will be collocate?
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