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Old January 8th, 2012, 08:11 PM   #1001
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no, we arent talking about new york. we are talking about architecture. this tower is bad architecture. simple as that.
Actually this thread is about one building going up in NYC, not about architecture in general.

You haven't even seen the damn thing! Perhaps you should wait until we get a final render with the actual cladding? As we've said a million times before, cladding makes or breaks towers with simple shapes.

And why is it always someone from London coming in to threads about NYC skyscrapers and trashing them? Painfully transparent jealousy?
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Old January 8th, 2012, 08:13 PM   #1002
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In my little village, i wouldn't like to have this horrible tower ...
I never understand people who prefer quantity instead of quality.
What is that even supposed to mean? How is it even relevant? Why would your little village ever get a 400m luxury residential skyscraper?

That's like someone saying Bentleys are garbage because they wouldn't look right in a parking lot in the ghetto they live in.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 08:36 PM   #1003
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What is that even supposed to mean? How is it even relevant? Why would your little village ever get a 400m luxury residential skyscraper?

That's like someone saying Bentleys are garbage because they wouldn't look right in a parking lot in the ghetto they live in.
I have said that because someone has said if we dont like this tower it s because it will not be built in your town ...
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Old January 8th, 2012, 08:55 PM   #1004
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I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about this tower. New York has some beautiful architecture, but it also has some of the ugliest, and lots of it. Building this tower is gonna be like bringing sand to the beach.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #1005
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I just hope it's 1420ft tall as opposed to 1350ft
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Old January 9th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #1006
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Folks, please keep the peace here since there is no reason to start a forum war. Good architecture is always in the eyes of the beholder. I for example find this building to be one of the most beautiful buildings in the world. Some may disagree with me, but hey, everybody can have his/her opinion. The world would be boring if everybody would have the same opinions
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Old January 12th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #1007
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If rumors about a possible height reduction of World One turn true, this one could be become one of the tallest if not the tallest residential tower in the world (since the Pentominium is on hold indefinitely).
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Old January 12th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #1008
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The best would have been to keep the beautiful historical buildings like The Drake and the rowhouses that stood there before, which suited Park Ave way better than this humongous box. Shame on NYC for having the ignorance to allow such demolitions of true gems in sensitive areas like this. Such an action would be considered inexcusable in pretty much any European city.

And please don't tell me Manhattan couldn't develop elseway. There are enough eyesores or even pretty much empty plots where such things could be pulled up. But yeah, that's not the way things are going ahead there, I know. It's all about the money.
Had to see this one repeated.

Part of what makes great cities great are the streetscapes and public vistas, and while I'm not so naive as to suggest only historic stylings suit this demand I can comfortably say streetfronts and spaces devoid of human scaling and details are cold and poorly received. One plaza like that in front of Seagrams or other boxy buildings is a novelty, but more of those and fewer spaces framed by the like of the Drake will begin to take their toll on on any city, even NY.

What this tower has in terms of engineering prowess cannot compensate, IMO, for a lack of humanity at the street level or any significant differentiation throughout the column. It comes off like a robotic efficiency of space, disinterested in the romantic allure of its location. In other words this could go anywhere, be any height, house anything. And that's rarely a compliment in the world architecture.

I'll reserve final judgement until built, of course, and do appreciate the structural artistry and expect the interiors will be nice and airy. As a contribution to the cityscape, however, the preliminary grade from yours truly is a D. I can already envision my friends and I 'shopping this thing out of pictures.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 04:21 AM   #1009
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are they really keeping the oversized box of angel hair pasta design?
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Old January 13th, 2012, 05:47 PM   #1010
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It finally appeared on CTBUH:

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Companies Involved
Developer CIM Group
Design Architect Rafael Vinoly Architects

Facts
Official Name 432 Park Avenue
Type building
Status proposed
Country United States
City New York City
Street Address 432 Park Avenue (map)
Building Function residential
Proposed 2011
Start of Construction 2012
Companies Involved
Developer CIM Group
Design Architect Rafael Vinoly Architects

Figures
Height: Architectural 432.8 meter / 1420 feet
Height: To Tip 432.8 meter / 1420 feet
# of Apartments 128
But still nothing on the actual floor number...
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Old January 13th, 2012, 09:14 PM   #1011
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1,420 feet!

YES!
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Old January 13th, 2012, 09:47 PM   #1012
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so the thread title should be updated to say that height, right?
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Old January 14th, 2012, 12:08 AM   #1013
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so this will most likely begin when one57 has topped out? if so that is awesome. A tower after another. it will most likely carry on after 432 Park as you have the hudson yards etc.... hopefully see tower verre and 225 west rise during the the rise of thi tower
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Old January 14th, 2012, 12:22 AM   #1014
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I see little reason why they should wait until one57 has topped out. Looking at the webcam I would say they already started.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #1015
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So, by highest floor and/or roof height (assuming box design, no spire), this is the tallest in NYC and 2nd in the Western Hemisphere. Not too shabby. and in the top 3 tallest residential towers, too.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 12:32 AM   #1016
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1,420 feet! Wow. Almost as tall as Willis/Sears.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 12:56 AM   #1017
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Let's get things into perspective.

This is relatively short, fat, and ugly:



This is relatively tall, thin, and handsome:
[IMG]http://t3.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6f5-M88aWhO-KpZTzdbYq_TTSpKZNar-jjJFsIn0bzytRv-aeq8L1_YQ[/IMG]

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Old January 14th, 2012, 01:15 AM   #1018
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Let's get things into perspective.

This is relatively short, fat, and ugly:



This is relatively tall, thin, and handsome:
[IMG]http://t3.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6f5-M88aWhO-KpZTzdbYq_TTSpKZNar-jjJFsIn0bzytRv-aeq8L1_YQ[/IMG]

... I prefer AON Centre! i like it so much!
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Old January 14th, 2012, 01:18 AM   #1019
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Let's get things into perspective.

This is relatively short, fat, and ugly:



This is relatively tall, thin, and handsome:
[IMG]http://t3.************/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6f5-M88aWhO-KpZTzdbYq_TTSpKZNar-jjJFsIn0bzytRv-aeq8L1_YQ[/IMG]


I think that's your opinion sir. I'm sure many like the Aon Center. I'm not mad on it myself, but some are.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 01:56 AM   #1020
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So this will actually be the tallest residential building when complete, Princess tower in dubai is the tallest now and is 414m so this beats it by 18m!

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