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Old April 9th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #11201
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that is very cool! Thanks.
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That's the most badass post I've ever seen on this site. Thanks Marcatio.
Marcatio - I want to echo these sentiments... Thanks for your efforts !!

Perhaps you can help me understand how this crane hoists itself up. I can barely understand how it is stable at such heights with no visible outriggers.

So if there's something you can point me to that shows how this crane is supported and is raised - it would be much appreciated. I would also imagine that there is a hole in the floor slab (where the tower crane is) that would need to be filled in later, after the crane is raised.

Is that true?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 05:27 AM   #11202
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Why is this building referred to as Beekman?
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Old April 10th, 2014, 05:54 AM   #11203
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That was its original name. It was changed to "New York by Gehry" (architect Frank Gehry) the address is 8 Spruce St.
Seems like a case of starchitect megalomania, though I don't know the story behind that.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 05:58 AM   #11204
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Beekman Tower sounds way better...

"Hey, I saw New York by Gehry when I was in NYC."
"Wasn't that by Sinatra?"
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Old April 10th, 2014, 02:53 PM   #11205
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Hey folks, time for a new diagram. The building currently has 57 apparent floors and is 269 meters or 884 feet tall. Now that it has beaten Beekman it is the 8th tallest building in the city

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Old April 10th, 2014, 06:07 PM   #11206
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Marcatio - I want to echo these sentiments... Thanks for your efforts !!

Perhaps you can help me understand how this crane hoists itself up. I can barely understand how it is stable at such heights with no visible outriggers.

So if there's something you can point me to that shows how this crane is supported and is raised - it would be much appreciated. I would also imagine that there is a hole in the floor slab (where the tower crane is) that would need to be filled in later, after the crane is raised.

Is that true?
Thanks to all of you who responded to the drawings giving a simplfied sequence of operations. I hope it explained what is going on as 432 Park Avenue rises.

Dbronx,

Thanks for your response. BTW, that is the borough I am from where I was raised.

About the crane, it is called an internal climbing crane, in which the vertical tower is supported by a support frame that bears on the edges of a floor slab several floors down that has been cured sufficiently to bear the working loads of the crane above. The diagram included explains the operation. This diagram comes from "Cranes and Derricks" by Lawrence and Jay Shapiro, a book that I have in my library at home.

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This crane differs from the two cranes that were previously on site, called external climbing cranes, because they had external climbing frames, with separate tower sections that were inserted as the cranes rose, with ties and collars braced to the building structure. The current crane's tower is is of fixed height, and there are no tower sections inserted during its rise.

You are right, the holes for the tower are filled in afterward.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 06:50 PM   #11207
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"Despite the garishness of One57’s exterior, I’m not ready to write off the entire super-thin, super-tall building type as incompatible with serious architecture. Viñoly’s 432 Park, on the outside, is as sophisticated as One57 is glitzy. Its façade is a flat, minimalist grid of smoothly finished concrete. As one looks at the building it’s hard not to think of Tadao Ando, the Japanese architect who is famous for making concrete feel more sensual and luxurious than marble. To some people, concrete is still concrete, no matter how refined its finish, so you have to give Macklowe some credit for not pandering to the lowest common denominator of moneyed taste. Macklowe’s own apartment, in the Plaza, was designed by the late Charles Gwathmey, who did a great deal to shape the developer’s taste and gave him an obsession for detail that is more characteristic of an architect than a profit-driven builder. In the case of 432 Park, Macklowe seems not to have cut any corners; his philosophy has been to spend as much as it takes and figure he’ll get it back by charging sky-high prices, like the $74.5 million he is asking for the full-floor apartment on the 87th floor, or the $30.75 million he wants for a three-bedroom apartment down on the 64th floor.

The tower is an essay in pure geometric form: it is a perfect square in plan, and rises straight up, without a single setback; all four façades are identical, made up of a grid of windows, every one of which is roughly 10 feet square. No windows are bigger, and no windows are smaller. If the windows didn’t have glass in them, the whole building would look like one of Sol LeWitt’s tower sculptures from the 1980s."

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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #11208
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THE ROOF COUNTS!!

432 Park Ave will be the tallest building in NYC. Spire does NOT count! Would 400 meters spire on WTC and make it the tallest building in the world?? NO, so once and for all stop adding the spire/antenna to the height of the building. It's nonsense.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:43 PM   #11209
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Sums it up perfectly. It really goes to show that sometimes less really is more.
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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:44 PM   #11210
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New photos by Richard Berenholtz, has been quite some time since last update.
About 4 months ago. But he always has some great vantage points.
These are also not very new, from 9 January (some were already shown at the reaching of the half height:





















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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:50 PM   #11211
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Old April 10th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #11212
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432 Park Renderings Galore in link!

432 Park Avenue Skyscraper – Thinnest, Tallest and Fanciest!
http://www.architecturebeast.com/432...ue-skyscraper/

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Old April 10th, 2014, 08:11 PM   #11213
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One57 and especially the Chrysler look so small there! But they are definitely pretty
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Old April 10th, 2014, 10:55 PM   #11214
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432 Park Renderings Galore in link!

432 Park Avenue Skyscraper – Thinnest, Tallest and Fanciest!
http://www.architecturebeast.com/432...ue-skyscraper/
Hey I recognize this picture... it pops up around here from time to time.

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Old April 10th, 2014, 11:54 PM   #11215
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http://www.architecturebeast.com/432...ue-skyscraper/
I like this site !!
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Old April 11th, 2014, 02:21 AM   #11216
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Cool how from the 59th street cam the building completely lines up with the horizon.
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Old April 11th, 2014, 02:32 AM   #11217
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Old April 11th, 2014, 08:17 AM   #11218
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432 Park Ave will be the tallest building in NYC. Spire does NOT count! Would 400 meters spire on WTC and make it the tallest building in the world?? NO, so once and for all stop adding the spire/antenna to the height of the building. It's nonsense.

I as well as other's, probably (kanto) Most famously, "Well, we like the rooftop as The final Height", that's not how it is, (at this time anyway) and I've been beat up enough in PM's, so You (especially your 2nd post) will not make a lot of friend's Blasting 1 WTC, just wait for the day they go with roof,, don't P' off 90% of forumers
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Old April 11th, 2014, 02:31 PM   #11219
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I guess we don't like the spire height because it's unfair counting in favour of 1WTC as the tallest in NY.
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Old April 11th, 2014, 05:40 PM   #11220
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This building seems to be going up in the blink of an eye. Do they keep records on things like length of time from ground level to supertall status?
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