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Old June 21st, 2014, 05:08 PM   #12041
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I disagree. The average folk don't care about minimalism and symbolic space and all that mumbo jumbo that philosophical architects crow about. For them to be wowed they have to find something either impressive in scale or impressive in aesthetic. Chrysler and Empire State fulfill both of those criteria. Sears Tower gets by only on scale. I think if 432 becomes famous it will be solely because of scale, not because of its simple form. The average American is also not a skyscraper enthusiast. One of my best friends took a picture in front of the American Radiator Building and labeled it on Facebook as "In front of the Empire State Building!". Only a few of us pay that close attention. The vast majority couldn't tell you the Brooklyn Bridge from the Tappan Zee.
Quite true. "The average folk don't care about minimalism and symbolic space and all that mumbo jumbo that philosophical architects crow about."- but as I said, I'm not arguing the design merits- I do however, think that this building's sheer, height, impact, and simple form could make it an icon. This building, while very simple (some would claim boring) in design, is outstandingly tall and thin, especially by New York's standards. It's height to width ratio alone is a draw to some degree. Now, I would say it is highly unlikely that this building will ever have the same status as the buildings mentioned ESB- and Chrysler, for instance, but I could see it have a similar status to that of the Sears Tower. And while I am well aware that not everyone shares our interest in skyscrapers, most of the people I have met could delineate ESB from the Chrysler Building on the skyline of NYC. I don't think this will be an icon in the same way as the great art-deco buildings, but it could redefine the skyline with such an elementary shape such as to become a "standard" of sorts for simple, tall, thin, rectangular skyscrapers upon which others are measured.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 05:30 PM   #12042
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If Apple somehow got into designing skyscrapers, it would look like 432 Park. Their design philosophies complement each other perfectly.
Except the Elevators wouldn't work if you didn't push the buttons exactly the way Steve Jobs thought they should be pressed.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 06:35 PM   #12043
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I'm not going to argue the design either way, but I could see this eventually becoming one the cities' most iconoclastic buildings (...)

I actually felt the same when I was there watching it from several angles. On the design, I think the main problem (even when it comes just to the taste of the one looking at it) is that it is very thin, as it's been said in this thread. I don't quite know if Viñoly was trying to find some dialogue with the context or not, but it has a lot of influence from the international style surrounding it which, by the way, don't use to be thin (always in a direct relation with its height).
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Old June 21st, 2014, 06:56 PM   #12044
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I disagree. The average folk don't care about minimalism and symbolic space and all that mumbo jumbo that philosophical architects crow about.
And average folk definitely know what is good in architecture. That's why 99% of them in them live in hideous faux-classical eyesores in the suburbs centered around postmodernist strip mall developments and fast food restaurants.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 07:17 PM   #12045
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So it's nr 55 total in the world now.
37 by roof height.
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Old June 21st, 2014, 09:00 PM   #12046
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Looks like a federal prison in the sky -- all you need are bars on the windows.
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Before he edited that comment he said something like "A nice, retro-style building"
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 03:57 AM   #12050
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And Verre is too tall, but it's a render of 432 we haven't seen yet, I think.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 04:17 AM   #12052
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 07:15 AM   #12053
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I used your picture to show how it will be when finished.

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CCs77 - Thanks. That's very cool. I understand from the sales presentation that I went to last December, that the first closings on the floors below 40 will take place in April. so topping off in a couple of months seemed at the time rather aggressive but now makes sense.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 04:23 PM   #12056
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CCs77 - Thanks. That's very cool. I understand from the sales presentation that I went to last December, that the first closings on the floors below 40 will take place in April. so topping off in a couple of months seemed at the time rather aggressive but now makes sense.
Glad you liked it.

By the way, Many people compares this building to a smokestack, so I don't know if it was intentional, But in your picture, that chimney in the nearby building matchs exactly, both in alignment and apparent width, with the base of 432. If you extend it upwards, it would match exactly the building.





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Yeah, when I took the pic that wasn't my intention but after looking at it I saw that and thought that maybe there would be a surprise at the end and that the final cladding would be all brick! That would truly be iconic.
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Old June 22nd, 2014, 04:29 PM   #12058
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Wow! That was exactly what I was thinking. Now whenever I see a smokestack I instantly imagine that it were 432 Park Avenue. It drives me crazy because the last thing I would want is for 432 Park Avenue to have brick cladding. But they look SO alike, and the top reminds me of how the building looks right now: under construction.
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