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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:14 PM   #12561
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This building will never be a icon. You barely notice it when you drive through Manhattan.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:30 PM   #12562
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There's nothing iconic about it except height. It's somewhat like the 40 Wall Street of the 21st century (for being one of the highest and most forgettable skyscrapers of its time at once), only much worse.

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It's funny that you still remember to come here and bash this building once in awhile.
Once we allow atrocities like this tower getting celebrated by other architects, the media et al, we'll see them getting erected elsewhere. A frightening thought I'd like to overcome asap. This doesn't deserve to be celebrated in any way.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 02:58 PM   #12563
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This building will never be a icon. You barely notice it when you drive through Manhattan.

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Could you point 432 out for me, I'm having a bit of trouble.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 03:13 PM   #12564
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Could you point 432 out for me, I'm having a bit of trouble.
It's the tall one that's under construction, right in the middle!
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Old July 29th, 2014, 03:28 PM   #12565
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Sweet!! That's how tall Silverstein's 520 W 41st street tower will be!!

200' to go!! Incredible!

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So that means it surpassed the Bank Of America Tower and is now the third tallest in New York?
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Old July 29th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #12566
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This building will never be a icon. You barely notice it when you drive through Manhattan.
Who drives in Manhattan?
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Old July 29th, 2014, 03:50 PM   #12567
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432 is very prominent along all the UES avenues all the way up to the 90's. In fact apartments for sale with of view of 432 have the view featured in their listings.

On a sad note, I'll be out of town for three months and so the next pictures that I post will be of a completed icon.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 04:15 PM   #12568
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There's nothing iconic about it except height. It's somewhat like the 40 Wall Street of the 21st century (for being one of the highest and most forgettable skyscrapers of its time at once), only much worse.


Once we allow atrocities like this tower getting celebrated by other architects, the media et al, we'll see them getting erected elsewhere. A frightening thought I'd like to overcome asap. This doesn't deserved to be celebrated in any way.
Or maybe some people genuinely like it because we don't all have extremely narrow taste in what is acceptable for buildings? There is nothing forgettable about the giant window grid, there's nothing else like it in the skyline and to some of us it looks striking.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 05:17 PM   #12569
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If it was a Dubai clone they'd all be complaining about how long it's taking for each floor bump.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 05:34 PM   #12570
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From Queensboro Plaza (one week ago):
DSC06200 by fotovandaag, on Flickr

From the Bronx (Yankee Stadium):
DSC06209 by fotovandaag, on Flickr

From Roosevelt Island:
DSC06278 by fotovandaag, on Flickr
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Old July 29th, 2014, 06:06 PM   #12571
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It truly has been rising at a lightning speed. Even I remember once exclaiming "where the hell did that come from", it was barely noticeable and suddenly became a focal point in the skyline.

It felt like waking up one morning and finding a brand new house built across your street.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:20 PM   #12572
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Could you point 432 out for me, I'm having a bit of trouble.
This is hardly a streetlevel view, since he said "you barely notice it when you drive through Manhattan".

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Or maybe some people genuinely like it
That's all fine. You can say "I like it". You can say why you like it.

But some people over here claim this to be an icon like it's reinventing modernism, which it is clearly not. You can't make that claim seem objective without looking ridiculous.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 07:52 PM   #12573
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You are far more vehement in your dislike of this tower than almost anyone who has been in support of it. You also cannot say things like

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Once we allow atrocities like this tower getting celebrated by other architects, the media et al, we'll see them getting erected elsewhere. A frightening thought I'd like to overcome asap. This doesn't deserved to be celebrated in any way.
then follow up by saying that it's okay for people to say that they like the tower. Just calm the rhetoric a little and people will stop antagonizing you about your posting.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 08:16 PM   #12574
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This building will never be a icon...
It already is !

And you are right about one thing... It's mostly because of the iconic height, or to be more specific -> the iconic height to width ratio !... But there are many other features in it's shape and design also...

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Old July 29th, 2014, 08:25 PM   #12575
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It already is !

And you are right about one thing... It's mostly because of the iconic height, or to be more specific -> the iconic height to width ratio !... But there are many other features in it's shape and design also...
PRECISELY! This represents an advancement in structural engineering, just like balconies on very tall buildings represent an advancement in structural engineering. People seem to only want to consider what things look like rather than what goes into making a structure what it is.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 10:49 PM   #12576
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TheYesGuy, you're right. I despise this tower and am very harsh, which by itself is a reaction to people telling me I'm not allowed to criticise it. But I'll continue to do so, once in a while. It may bother people and it should.

More consideration needs to be put into architecture and urban integration, bar structural efforts that are undeniably huge for this tower. My respect for achievements in that, as I used to be a civil engineer myself.
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Old July 29th, 2014, 10:52 PM   #12577
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TheYesGuy, you're right. I despise this tower and am very harsh, which by itself is a reaction to people telling me I'm not allowed to criticise it. But I'll continue to do so, once in a while. It may bother people and it should.

More consideration needs to be put into architecture and urban integration, bar structural efforts that are undeniably huge for this tower. My respect for achievements in that, as I used to be a civil engineer myself.
Then, you have a well-educated opinion, which should make people respect it all the more. Many people don't really know what they are talking about.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:00 AM   #12578
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Why am I talking with guy who still lives in XIX century? Idk... Historism is music of the past no matter how much Stern wants to bring It back... It's still not the same... It's still postmodernism.

Wake up... And appreciate for a once that It's not something like this: http://i53.************/2hq6m4l.jpg


You consider NYC one of the greatest big cities on earth if not the best. And huge part of this city are simple, modern boxes. As most of XX-century architecture they were born exactly here, in NYC. They are part of this city identity and you can bash and complain as much as you want, and you still won't change that.
432 fits NYC perfectly (especially midtown) and I personally consider it a bigger tribiute to old WTC than new WTC... That's it.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:18 AM   #12579
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I must say that it looks far more impressive from a distance than I had expected. Close up it looks less charming, just very glad that the width of the skyscraper does not negatively impact the skyline from a distance.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:14 AM   #12580
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Compare the progress between July 13 and July 20, from the same vantage point in Queens. The second video has higher quality due to better weather conditions, meaning that I had to tinker with edits and contrast settings to a lesser extent.



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