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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:20 AM   #12581
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This will be a NY icon unlike all the dime-a-dozen 19th century shacks you find everywhere in the city. This will have photos taken all the time unlike some random Art Deco mid rises basically everywhere. No other building in the city looks like this, so what is more forgettable?
I disagree. Many of the art deco buildings have great characteristics that gives them great charm appeal and admirable elegance. That's why, even after 80+ years, the Empire State and Chrysler Buildings are the most renowned and photographed skyscrapers in the world. Different designs, preponderant ornamentation and patterns that juxtapose classical, industrial, modern, ancient Egyptian and even Native American cultural elements in a package of cubism. Thus Art Deco is an art of its own that makes these buildings timeless and is really what truly defines New York as a city. Don't be too quick to downsize the prominence of these old buildings, as it is the older buildings that will be more romanticized in the future and beyond. This building is only noticeable by its domineering height and not by its design. It's obvious that its height is the most important element of all, which is fine, but not so much as is design. It's very imposing and that's all it has. However, time will come in the distant future when it will only be one of hundreds of supertalls that will dominate Manhattan.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 03:33 AM   #12582
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"Wake up... And appreciate for a once that It's not something like this: http://i53.************/2hq6m4l.jpg"

Dubai is a fake city. Many of the trees in the city or fake. In fact, Dubai is a giant real estate bubble and nothing more. Just a casino of property speculation and cheaply built towers.

"You consider NYC one of the greatest big cities on earth if not the best. And huge part of this city are simple, modern boxes. As most of XX-century architecture they were born exactly here, in NYC. They are part of this city identity and you can bash and complain as much as you want, and you still won't change that.
432 fits NYC perfectly (especially midtown) and I personally consider it a bigger tribiute to old WTC than new WTC... That's it.[/QUOTE]"

Actually, it is the older Art Deco buildings that makes New York the city it is. That's why when people think of New York the first thing they see in their minds is the Rockefeller Plaza, ESB, Chrysler Building ect.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 04:21 AM   #12583
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$1.5 billion to build the Burj Khalifa isn't "cheap." And I don't remember Dubai having any towers.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 04:32 AM   #12584
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Don't remember it having any towers?
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Old July 30th, 2014, 05:53 AM   #12585
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Yes, because they are buildings. You don't know the difference?
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Old July 30th, 2014, 06:11 AM   #12586
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There's nothing iconic about it except height. It's somewhat like the 40 Wall Street of the 21st century (for being one of the highest and most forgettable skyscrapers of its time at once), only much worse.


Once we allow atrocities like this tower getting celebrated by other architects, the media et al, we'll see them getting erected elsewhere. A frightening thought I'd like to overcome asap. This doesn't deserve to be celebrated in any way.
That is the same that was said about the twin towers. Yet, they became a symbol of NYC in par, or even more so perhaps, than the ESB. There was something unique about the twins: their monumentality, their simplicity, perhaps their artificiality. I find the same virtues in 432 Park Avenue. People will photograph this building and it will likely become an icon of the big apple. It screams New York City loud and clear to me.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 08:28 AM   #12587
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Yes, because they are buildings. You don't know the difference?
Well no duh they are buildings. That's just an asinine statement.

But they are towers as well since a skyscraper, by definition, is a tower...
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Old July 30th, 2014, 10:19 AM   #12588
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Doesn't 'burj' mean literally 'tower'? Burj Al Arab, Burj Khalifa. Not to mention Princess Tower, Almas Tower, Marquis Dubai Towers, Emirates Office Tower, Al Attar Tower, Rose Tower, Al Yaqoub Tower, HHR Tower, Cayan Tower, Millennium Tower, Sulafa Tower, etc etc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...dings_in_Dubai

It's a semantic point. Even developers call them 'towers' interchangeably. In the Middle East, 'tower' is actually preferred. That's why we don't have the "Kingdom Building" but the better sounding 'Kingdom Tower'
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Old July 30th, 2014, 11:39 AM   #12589
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That is the same that was said about the twin towers. Yet, they became a symbol of NYC in par, or even more so perhaps, than the ESB. There was something unique about the twins: their monumentality, their simplicity, perhaps their artificiality. I find the same virtues in 432 Park Avenue. People will photograph this building and it will likely become an icon of the big apple. It screams New York City loud and clear to me.
The other poster saying 40 Wall Street is gorgeous... forgettable? Please... I don't care for Trump owning it, that's the worst I can say of the tower . I agree with you that 432 Park does scream "New York" and will become a city icon for the new century.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 11:44 AM   #12590
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Old July 30th, 2014, 12:47 PM   #12591
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Beautiful panorama, typical of NY Skyscraper
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Old July 30th, 2014, 01:14 PM   #12592
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The other poster saying 40 Wall Street is gorgeous... forgettable? Please...
You didn't really get the point. 40 Wall Street is a solid design (unlike 432 Park Ave. imho), and in 1930 it even became the tallest building in the world. The height race between this, Chrysler Building and ESB is legendary. But - who thinks of 40 Wall Street when he thinks of NYC? Even though it was the tallest building in the world for a brief time, the smaller Woolworth Building e.g. is far better known. That's because its neogothic architecture is more refined yet unique, the same goes for the Art-Deco-styled Chrysler. 40 Wall Street is rather unambitious and unoriginal in design.

The only thing really going on about it seen in the scheme of its time is height and a rather decent but repetetive crown. I made this point to outline the avarice for sheer height, in contrast to actually building an icon or at least a really refined building. Which can be tracked down to 432 Park Avenue in these days.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 04:51 PM   #12593
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Again core jump. Current height 373 m.

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Old July 30th, 2014, 07:09 PM   #12594
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Again core jump. Current height 373 m.
It wasn't a full core jump from what I can gather, the jump from the other day was only partway, this image should explain:
The image to the left is before the core jump on monday, the middle is after the core jump, and the one on the right is the jump today
The red line shows what appears to be just one jump throughout the past few days:
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Old July 30th, 2014, 07:33 PM   #12595
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You didn't really get the point. 40 Wall Street is a solid design (unlike 432 Park Ave. imho), and in 1930 it even became the tallest building in the world. The height race between this, Chrysler Building and ESB is legendary. But - who thinks of 40 Wall Street when he thinks of NYC? Even though it was the tallest building in the world for a brief time, the smaller Woolworth Building e.g. is far better known. That's because its neogothic architecture is more refined yet unique, the same goes for the Art-Deco-styled Chrysler. 40 Wall Street is rather unambitious and unoriginal in design.

The only thing really going on about it seen in the scheme of its time is height and a rather decent but repetetive crown. I made this point to outline the avarice for sheer height, in contrast to actually building an icon or at least a really refined building. Which can be tracked down to 432 Park Avenue in these days.
From what I can gather it seems that like most everyone else that doesn't like this tower you don't get or don't like Minimalism specifically with this tower because it reminds you of crappy uninteresting modern boxes. But that's like hating anything with limestone because you hate Julian LaGrange PoMo designs. It's completely ignorant to the quality of the design because of a bias.

Minimalism is all about getting rid of all of the non-essentials often using basic geometric shapes and avoiding artificial color. 432 park is impressively void of the non-essentials which is most evident in using one grid that serves as the interior, exterior, and structure of the building. But the choice to avoid the non-essential is in everything from the uninterrupted floor to ceiling windows to the lack of color on the concrete exterior to the actual shape of the building. This tower is a fantastic design and when it's finished it will most likely be the preeminent example of minimalist skyscraper architecture in the world.

Really anyone critical of this building take some time look at some Minimalist Architecture learn what it's about and then reassess what you think about this building design.
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Old July 30th, 2014, 08:35 PM   #12596
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I agree with erbse, and just want to remind people of how awkward it would have been had it been one of the sticks on the sands of dubai. As long as this is in NY, it will keep getting overrated. That being said I am still and will always be a 432 PA lover.
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I agree with erbse, and just want to remind people of how awkward it would have been had it been one of the sticks on the sands of dubai. As long as this is in NY, it will keep getting overrated. That being said I am still and will always be a 432 PA lover.
A tower like 432 PA has no chance of being built in Dubai, it's far too classy. Put a kitschy cladding and a Disneyland crown on the top, then it has a good chance in Dubai.
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some one can tell me if the 432 park avenue has surpassed the bank of america tower a t this moment ?? and off course become the 3rd tallest building in nyc
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some one can tell me if the 432 park avenue has surpassed the bank of america tower a t this moment ?? and off course become the 3rd tallest building in nyc
Yes it has, 432 PA is now ~368m
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Old July 31st, 2014, 12:00 AM   #12600
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some one can tell me if the 432 park avenue has surpassed the bank of america tower a t this moment ?? and off course become the 3rd tallest building in nyc
Yes it did (to the top of the spire)

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It wasn't a full core jump from what I can gather, the jump from the other day was only partway, this image should explain:
The image to the left is before the core jump on monday, the middle is after the core jump, and the one on the right is the jump today
The red line shows what appears to be just one jump throughout the past few days:
[IMG]http://i58.************/28b42n9.png[/IMG]
I think it is indeed at 1224.5 ft/ 373 m.
I made this with two pictures, one is from july 24th (after they made the first jump post crane raise) and the other is from today.
Look that the growth of the core is exactly two floors of the building (comparing it with the floors at the corner at the perimeter it is slightly less than two floors, but those floors are nearer than the core, so they must appear larger, comparing it with the border, at about the same distance, it is exactly the height of two floors) and remember that the the climbing system thing at the top of the building is taller than a floor.




In your picture, I think that the core was already a bit raised, comparing with the picture of the 24th, it is a bit taller.

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