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Old February 5th, 2012, 01:33 AM   #1281
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UNDER CONSTRUCTION!!!
Far from it. Still have to destroy all the structures they have there, prepare all the land (which will take a lot), reach an agreement with the bank to finance the construction of the building, but then begin construction. I believe that only the end of the year...
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Old February 5th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #1282
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Why would they being doing all this preparatory work if they didn't already have the money lined up to build it? Wouldn't this potentially then be simply a big waste of money?
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Old February 5th, 2012, 02:21 AM   #1283
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any idea when this thing will start rising above ground? this summer?
End of summer/ Start of Autumn.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 05:37 AM   #1284
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Why would they being doing all this preparatory work if they didn't already have the money lined up to build it? Wouldn't this potentially then be simply a big waste of money?
More than a few developers have started projects and then been forced to stop for lack of money. 56 Leonard and 30 Park Place are just a couple of NY towers that had to go on hold after starting foundation work.

Developers around the world routinely start projects without all the money in place in hopes that it will lure investors, buyers, tenants, etc. They hope people will see the activity and buy into it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 01:08 PM   #1285
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In this case, I just hope it doesn't. Reconstruct the Drake Hotel and the town houses you greedy bastards, now!
You owe something to NYC's architectural history.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 01:23 PM   #1286
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LOL, you're quite a fan of old buildings, aren't you?
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Old February 5th, 2012, 01:32 PM   #1287
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How could anyone not be? Buildings used to be designed with a sense of beauty, proportion, natural aesthetics and refined materials. In contrary to all the "AutoCAD-beauty" nowadays.

Screw boxy modernism. This tower is going to be one of, if not the last beacon of this style, then it will hopefully finally fade out completely. It's against the natural conception of beauty for the human eye, everything else is just projection against our nature. We're looking for elaborate design, lots of beautiful details, something to rest our view on and reminds us of our roots. Such plain boxy buildings don't offer much in this regard.
(Please don't tell me about the structure again, I know the design of 432 Park Avenue.)

Besides, it's a crime to destroy just one of the beautiful ensembles of old Manhattan.
Once any corner of this treasure island got its "über-funky" modernist box, everyone will regret what happened to this place. Look at all those exchangeable modernist places all around the New World, like Rio, HK, Toronto, Sao Paulo, LA etc. They all regret denying their past when they levelled all the former beauty, some day. Sad story.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 02:40 PM   #1288
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Many buildings in NYC, will share the same fate as the drake. New York wouldn't be New York, if all the old buildings were left where they were.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 02:55 PM   #1289
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In some way, yes. But I'm all in favour of replacing ugly 50s to 80s monstrosities instead of pre-war beauty. NYC has its fair share of ugly buildings that should go, instead of historical marvels. On the other hand - life isn't always a bowl of cherries.
But Manhattan has the tools to cope with whatever investors throw at it, and it could easily manage its development towards a direction of urban aesthetics, instead of getting mountains of blandness.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #1290
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But I agree with you that old buildings shouldn't be treated like junk and should be preserved whenever possible. It doesn't matter whether somebody likes them or somebody doesn't like them cause they are an important message from the past. People should go ahead into the future but shouldn't forget about the past. A rich architectural history is important for any city in my opinion though I think that in the case of the Drake Hotel its demolition is justified because of the incredibly beautiful building that will rise instead of it. But as I said earlier I agree with you erbse that a demolition spree of old buildings would be bad for any city though I disagree with you that the modernist buildings should be demolished. I love these buildings and even if I put my love for them aside I can still 100% objectively say that modernist buildings are just as a part of history as art deco buildings are and should therefore be treated equaly and be preserved as much as possible
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Old February 5th, 2012, 08:50 PM   #1291
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Many buildings in NYC, will share the same fate as the drake. New York wouldn't be New York, if all the old buildings were left where they were.
Exactly, incongruence is what Manhattan is all about. It might be horrible anywhere else (I have my doubts about what London is doing to itself) but it is the very essence of what New York is.

Right now what NYC needs most are supertalls to keep up with some of the upstarts around the world and even Chicago. If this goes up as a supertall I'll be cheering it on all the way, and I don't even care if it is ugly.

When it comes to supertalls height has a beauty of its own.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 10:07 PM   #1292
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Hey, building skyscrapers has nothing to do with a race.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 11:04 PM   #1293
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Old February 6th, 2012, 12:06 AM   #1294
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In some way, yes. But I'm all in favour of replacing ugly 50s to 80s monstrosities instead of pre-war beauty. NYC has its fair share of ugly buildings that should go, instead of historical marvels. On the other hand - life isn't always a bowl of cherries.
But Manhattan has the tools to cope with whatever investors throw at it, and it could easily manage its development towards a direction of urban aesthetics, instead of getting mountains of blandness.
You can't just demolish those 'ugly buildings'. It may be far too expensive to do that. The developer will demolish what makes financial sense. In most cases, these buildings make sense to demolish, not large office towers.

As for the Drake... oh well, that is NYC for you. That is why this baby better be good, LOL!
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Old February 6th, 2012, 05:20 AM   #1295
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Reconstruct the Drake Hotel and the town houses you greedy bastards, now!
I know what you mean, I feel the same way. I like the new tower and think it should be built, but not at the price of destroying perfectly good buildings like the Drake hotel. "Never let the new outdo the old."
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Old February 6th, 2012, 08:34 AM   #1296
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never let the new outdo the old? That like say records should never be broken. If the new isn't outdoing the old, then it shouldn't be built. The old outdoing the new is a step backwards.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 10:09 AM   #1297
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So in your mind, we should be going backwards from here? I agree kingsc......
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Old February 6th, 2012, 02:05 PM   #1298
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Well what I meant by that quote is that you should never outdo the best of the old with the new. The Drake hotel was pretty nice. Why couldn't they demolish an ugly 50's or 60's building?
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Old February 6th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #1299
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Old February 6th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #1300
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I know what you mean, I feel the same way. I like the new tower and think it should be built, but not at the price of destroying perfectly good buildings like the Drake hotel. "Never let the new outdo the old."
The new tower won't be build at the corner I believe, isn't the glass cube supposed to be build at the corner?
So couldn't they just have kept the Drake and build the tower next to it?
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