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Old September 27th, 2014, 12:19 AM   #13501
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Midtown Manhattan has the best skyline in the World...truly amazing
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:04 AM   #13502
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:15 AM   #13503
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Old September 27th, 2014, 02:23 AM   #13504
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Some shots of the One 57 and the 432 Park Ave in the NY skyline (from 2 months ago):


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Old September 27th, 2014, 10:03 AM   #13505
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Has construction resumed?
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Old September 27th, 2014, 01:01 PM   #13506
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This project was never on hold
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Old September 27th, 2014, 02:25 PM   #13507
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Pouring the core at the moment. It is top out ~417 m. 10 meters taller than main roof of WTC 1~407 m.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 02:50 PM   #13508
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There's a reason for that.

People who overly-simplify things without caring to see the merit of such a design, is like a redneck talking about a modern art masterpiece.

"Is jussa buncha lines, Cletus! Hah kin 'nyone call't art?"
"Woosdis Pee-caysso? A fahv y'r ol' kin draw better'n that!"
That reason is probably called either prejudice or ignorance, because you're attempting to discredit a person's opinion simply because they disagree.

One of my professors said that art that needs explaining to the common man can't be called a masterpiece. I've an architectural background and I think this building is highly effective for it's purpose of serving the residents inside but is also very trite and droll on the exterior. That other's love it, great for them. For me personally it's an eyesore on the skyline because the architecture is reduced to mechanical formulation and no artistry whatsoever. It's a rote exercise in modern, albeit soft, brutalism, and nowhere near as human as it could be. It's a design spun by the revenue generation potential, not by the vision of planting a staid obelisk in Manhattan.

Guess that thinking makes me a redneck, eh?
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Old September 27th, 2014, 05:56 PM   #13509
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For me personally it's an eyesore on the skyline because the architecture is reduced to mechanical formulation and no artistry whatsoever.
Not every building has to have some kind of art on the outside.
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Old September 27th, 2014, 06:17 PM   #13510
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Originally Posted by GunnerJacket
"For me personally it's an eyesore on the skyline because the architecture is reduced to mechanical formulation and no artistry whatsoever"

Redneck statment??...LOL!... you organize a form in a space=you make art!!(even in Gainesville!)

DALI'S MOUSTACHE is art for exemple! even that redneck with his piled up Bud
cans makes art!!

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Old September 27th, 2014, 07:00 PM   #13511
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Yo hemeroscopium! Who gave you permission to put that collection of my dad and his beer can folk art up on the internet!? I'll tell yall what! They better make this here building the new headquarters of the NRA! Yeeeee haaaaw!! Lmao
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Old September 27th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #13512
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Guess that thinking makes me a redneck, eh?
I would say this sort of thinking is ignorant, yes.

Good architecture/good taste is not measured by mass appeal. Just because WWE and NASCAR is more popular than the symphony and visual art doesn't mean they represent higher forms of artistic expression.

Just because Bubba from WalMart doesn't appreciate something doesn't mean it isn't worth savoring.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 12:10 AM   #13513
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Here's two shots from Merrick, Long Island...
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Old September 28th, 2014, 02:09 AM   #13514
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There's a reason for that.

People who overly-simplify things without caring to see the merit of such a design, is like a redneck talking about a modern art masterpiece.

"Is jussa buncha lines, Cletus! Hah kin 'nyone call't art?"
"Woosdis Pee-caysso? A fahv y'r ol' kin draw better'n that!"

Really? Are we really going to start resorting to this style of childish tirades? Everyone can agree and disagree. But to resort to such childish styles of disparagement and attacks is as irksome as posters who post god awful memes. Is it too much to ask for people to debate civilly? Apparently so.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 02:13 AM   #13515
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For me personally it's an eyesore on the skyline because the architecture is reduced to mechanical formulation and no artistry whatsoever.
Because it's not a mechanical formulation.
The beauty is in the simplicity, the lines, and the purity of the square. You may not like that, buit at least acknowlege it, instead of dismissing it.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 04:21 AM   #13516
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Here's two shots from Merrick, Long Island...
Where in Merrick is that shot from? Top of a roof?
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Old September 28th, 2014, 05:01 AM   #13517
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Where in Merrick is that shot from? Top of a roof?
Atop of Norman J. Levy Park & Preserve.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 04:17 PM   #13518
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Because it's not a mechanical formulation.
The beauty is in the simplicity, the lines, and the purity of the square. You may not like that, buit at least acknowlege it, instead of dismissing it.
First off my apologies for framing my previous comment as something personal. Not my usual style but what's done is done. My bad.

As for 432 I'm not dismissing the simplicity at all, and as I've said I appreciate the efficiency with which this building achieves its primary purpose - Make a bunch of money by framing spectacular views for the inhabitants. In that sense it's a high example of form follows function.

But as I've also countered I feel buildings must observe context and contribute to the public space where deemed, and to this end we're simply seeing the latest variation of Segrams or Corbu's fancies that make efficient construction but cold viewing. If this building were copied again and again I guess it would be roundly criticized because at that point the elegance of simplicity comes across more machine like and boring. (My opinion, anyway)

Put another way, recall Vitruvius' definition of beauty and I think something more could be added to this structure to enhance the beauty of this building. Something as simple as an additional two levels but without windows so as to provide a visible cap to the structure, perhaps. Or some ornamentation framing the open mechanical floors to help celebrate the segmentation.

But that's just me. I don't dismiss anyone else loving it or hating it. Cheers.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 05:24 PM   #13519
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I agree with the fact that this building has a design that is more of an inspiration for the developers pockets than a design that is meant to inspire those who need to live around it. I like minimalism design, but this just doesn't do anything for me. It's boring to look at.

I'm calling it NYC's chimney from now on, since outside of Manhattan where the windows just look like bricks, it looks like a factory chimney.
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Old September 28th, 2014, 05:49 PM   #13520
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What is the current height to the outer walls? Not the core?
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