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Old October 23rd, 2014, 04:50 AM   #13921
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 06:59 AM   #13922
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That view from the top is just epic. That will persuade some potential buyers I guess.
Well... if you're feeling rich.. this is the link for you.

http://www.trulia.com/property/31572...-York-NY-10022

or if you can only afford one of the lower floors....

http://www.trulia.com/property/31488...-York-NY-10022
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 07:14 AM   #13923
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What makes New York special unlike those cities is that New York actually has a vast history of skyscrapers spanning over a hundred years. Unlike Dubai, which IS a market bubble on steroids, as is Shanghai to a certain extent, New York's skyscraper history was built out of necessity. It is a showcase of architecture spanning from Victorian, Colonial, Sullivan era, Art Deco (the most ubiquitous to New York) and ect. That's why no city can compete with New York. Maybe except for Chicago.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 11:18 AM   #13924
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USA population density = 34,2 per square km
Republic of China density = 145 per square km
No necessity to build high in China ????
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 12:12 PM   #13925
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USA population density = 34,2 per square km
Republic of China density = 145 per square km
No necessity to build high in China ????


I think he's specifically talking NYC's density, as compared to Dubai and SH's ample space. However, you are correct, especially considering that most of the land in China is either mountains or desert.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 03:55 PM   #13926
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USA population density = 34,2 per square km
Republic of China density = 145 per square km
No necessity to build high in China ????
I think he's specifically talking NYC's density, as compared to Dubai and SH's ample space. However, you are correct, especially considering that most of the land in China is either mountains or desert.
Well, that's the problem with that metric:
they're all too low.

It's a function of land area, which is great
if you're Europe, but not for anyone else.

If we're going to make it a function of where
people actually live (rather than where they
don't), you would obviously get vastly different
figures.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 03:56 PM   #13927
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Well... if you're feeling rich.. this is the link for you.

http://www.trulia.com/property/31572...-York-NY-10022
It may be $82 million, but the mortgage is only $404K a month! Totally doable.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 05:23 PM   #13928
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can somebody post photos of the lower part of this building? what's going on with the "apple store" right next to it?
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 05:43 PM   #13929
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They've started to put on what look like cladding brackets.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 10:24 PM   #13930
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It may be $82 million, but the mortgage is only $404K a month! Totally doable.
Well, I don't earn that in even 5 years.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 11:06 PM   #13931
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lol, i'm not gonna earn that for life :/
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 11:21 PM   #13932
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Dang! I can handle that for like…1 month!! Then I will have enough left over for a BMW...

Matchbox and small McDonalds fries with luckily 1 onion ring in it.

I don’t know what I would do for the rest of the 359 payments.
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Old October 23rd, 2014, 11:23 PM   #13933
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When Size Really Matters
Manhattan’s New Condominium Towers Are Dwarfing Other Skyscrapers




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My friend Aris, who has a way of expressing things succinctly, describes Bravo’s “Real Housewives” franchise as “wrestling for women.”

He was similarly profound this summer as we sat in Central Park partaking of certain liquid refreshments from an athletic squirt bottle. Discussing the megalith luxury condominiums that are rising along the south end of the park, he nailed their effect. “They’re turning the park into a courtyard,” he said.

Central Park has always served as a leafy oasis, a refuge from city life. But these skyscrapers are so tall—One57 is over 1,000 feet, and 432 Park Ave. recently topped off at 1,396 feet, overtaking the World Trade Center (minus its antenna) and leaving the Empire State Building in the dust. You can almost feel the breath of the billionaires they’re being marketed to on the back of your neck.

Here’s how out-sized 432 Park is: It makes One57, which previously appeared as if it was giving Central Park the finger, appear modest, even demure, by comparison. If I were a plutocrat who had already plunked down $50 million or $100 million, or whatever penthouses in the building are going for these days, I might be suffering buyer’s remorse.

And there are apparently larger condos still to come. At least one of them, topping 1,400 feet, is certain to give 432 Park erectile dysfunction.

Before you know it, Manhattan is going to resemble San Gimignano, the medieval hill town famous for its dozen tower houses, absent the Tuscan charm.

Nonetheless, I’ve decided to love 432 Park—though entirely for selfish reasons.

A couple of years ago, an apartment building rose a few blocks south of mine, partially blocking my view. This was cause for despair because there’s nothing that taps Gershwin’s “Rhapsody In Blue,” that lends a touch of magic to mundane reality, like the New York City skyline when the lights blink on after dark.

So I’ve been anticipating 432’s contribution to my view shed for a while. Even when it was still a hole in the ground, I calculated where it might rise relative to my apartment, and kept my fingers crossed that it wouldn’t be blocked by some closer tall building.

Several months ago I rejoiced—I don’t think that’s too strong a word; then again I’ve always been a geek for tall buildings—when the crane at its summit peeked out from behind a building that I could see from my living-room window. Though it required binoculars to confirm the sighting.

Binoculars were no longer necessary as the luxury condo rose higher and higher. I know I annoyed my wife, though probably no more than normal, when I daily dragged her over to the window proudly to note the skyscraper’s progress.

I even started to get greedy. A view from my living room wasn’t enough. I wanted to see it from every room in the apartment. I almost succeeded. The thing is so exceedingly tall that, while the building itself never made it that high, I could spot its crane from my East 80s bedroom window, above the apartment house directly across the street that blocks everything else.

The only problem is that I sometimes must leave the apartment. And from just about anywhere else in the city, Park Avenue in particular, 432 Park is out of all proportion. It feels ridiculous in a way the Empire State Building, which looms over Fifth Avenue in the 30s never did.

Perhaps because the Empire State—on a pedestal (or maybe that’s just the model on my mantelpiece) and with setbacks on the upper floors, and a tapered point—seems to acknowledge poetry’s contribution to architecture.

I’ve heard 432 Park, designed by Rafael Viñoly, described as elegant. But how elegant can an edifice be when it so totally overwhelms, when it seems to belittle, its surroundings?

I always fancied the idea that New York’s skyline reflected, literally, America’s rise and greatness through the 20th century.

“Every epoch has another response,” the architect Santiago Calatrava observed when we discussed 432 Park last week. “What is interesting,” Mr. Calatrava added, “is that New York keeps alive the idea of rising up. It’s important to the identity of the city.”

I agree, but I dread to think what these behemoths say about our age, though I suppose that’s preferable to the alternative—a building bust rather than a boom. So I’ll enjoy the view from my window, perhaps purchase a 432 Park model for my mantelpiece if one becomes available, and focus on the refreshments, rather than the encroaching skyline, next time I meet Aris in Central Park.
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Old October 24th, 2014, 01:28 AM   #13934
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Old October 24th, 2014, 10:16 AM   #13936
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that tower is so strange being so high and so thin!
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Old October 24th, 2014, 03:08 PM   #13937
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USA population density = 34,2 per square km
Republic of China density = 145 per square km
No necessity to build high in China ????
Most the buildings being built in China are vastly vacant due to extremely high costs normal people cannot afford. Not to mention there are numerous ghost cities in China. Literally entire cities the Chinese government has built that sit largely vacant. THAT is the definition of a bubble.
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Old October 24th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #13938
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Most the buildings being built in China are vastly vacant due to extremely high costs normal people cannot afford. Not to mention there are numerous ghost cities in China. Literally entire cities the Chinese government has built that sit largely vacant. THAT is the definition of a bubble.
Fake it 'til you make it. New York City on the other hand...
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Old October 24th, 2014, 06:16 PM   #13939
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Old October 24th, 2014, 08:40 PM   #13940
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