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Old January 12th, 2015, 08:50 PM   #15021
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Two words: telephoto lens.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 09:41 PM   #15022
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Two words: telephoto lens.
or one name: earthcam. Ever seen the 30 Park Place cam? peers right into the residences of the Barlcay Tower.
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Old January 12th, 2015, 10:06 PM   #15023
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Old January 13th, 2015, 12:05 AM   #15024
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Old January 13th, 2015, 12:08 AM   #15025
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Two words: telephoto lens.
Even better: drone + GoPro
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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:37 AM   #15026
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That floor is the Tower?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 06:56 AM   #15027
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Well most Americans could care less about skyscrapers, and i personally wouldn't want something that tall to ruin New Yorks gorgeous skyline
So You're happy, never having a top 10 in the USA ever again? Because if it's going to happen, it has to be New York.. I'm not happy at all, not at all
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:42 AM   #15028
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Old January 13th, 2015, 04:40 PM   #15029
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Rafael Vinoly, had two chances, in two world cities but he F***** the chances up.

First he designs 20 fenchurch street
and than he designs 432 Park Avenue

these two building are bland and boring.

I think MR Vinoly has the word Iconic stuck in his head, and that's leading to such simple design that are boring, neither of his structures fit their surroundings either, the stick out like sore thumbs.

I do like the Gherkin in London, and I do like the current proposal for the Nordstrom tower, but this, really?
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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:13 PM   #15030
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I don't know that it sticks out like a sore thumb. IMO anything goes height-wise in New York. ESB stuck out like a sore thumb too, but nobody's complaining about it. I do agree that it's a simple, boring design however. The only things that save it are its height and the fact that's it's not all glass. Then it would truly be just another glass box. At least this one won't be melting any cars.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:16 PM   #15031
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Simple and boring? It's arguably one of the most recognizeable buildings in NY now, and even more so when the mech floors are opened up and the floating boxes illusion is made clear.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:23 PM   #15032
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If it were half its height it wouldn't be recognizable. That's what I meant about its height saving it.

I actually don't like the "floating boxes" but I understand that they're necessary to keep the building from falling over in a stiff wind.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 05:37 PM   #15033
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The large windows would still make it an interesting and stately building.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:32 PM   #15034
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I like the windows. My problem with glass boxes is that they just look like box boxes with no sense of scale. The windows on 432 Park give it that sense of scale. Even though the windows are really big (which is great for the inhabitants) they still allow you to look at the building and think, "Wow, look at all the floors in that building" as opposed to, "Wow, look at that big glass box."
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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #15035
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432 Park Ave. Has a View Only Money Can Buy

Harry Macklowe Invites Ralph Gardner Jr. to the Top of His Luxury Condo

http://www.wsj.com/articles/432-park...ws&autologin=y

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Old January 13th, 2015, 07:58 PM   #15036
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The windows on 432 Park give it that sense of scale.
That actually makes me think of something I've been trying to articulate for a while about this building, the one thing that doesn't totally sit right with me.

Because the windows are so huge, when you look up at the building above the plateau, you feel like you have an idea of the scale (windows being a roughly human-scale thing)... but then you look down at all the little buildings (ones that are actually pretty darn big themselves) and cars and people, and you see it's actually at a completely different scale than what you thought. There's kind of a cognitive dissonance at play, or maybe it's better described as an optical illusion -- "multistable perception" might be the best way to describe the phenomenon, when an object that can be correctly viewed as two different things depending on how you view it.

Has anyone else had this sensation? I've only had this experience in photos, since the last time I saw the building in person last winter, it hadn't broken the plateau yet. I'd imagine it's easier for your brain to wrap itself around it in person. And I also figure that when all the windows are properly exposed to their fully daytime (and sunset) shine, the sides of the tower will feel more unified and less like a grid of distinct squares.
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Old January 13th, 2015, 08:16 PM   #15037
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Well said, but it seems to be a product of optical illusion; in it, sending mixed signals to our brain giving us a cognitive dissonant conclusion.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebbinghaus_illusion
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Old January 13th, 2015, 10:03 PM   #15038
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Nice reference, OnePointWest. Yes, the building definitely exists on at least two separate scales of perception. While that may be jarring, I personally think it is one of 432 Park's greatest strengths. It is monumental from a great distance but also from the street, thanks to the enormous scale of the 10x10 windows.

I think the perception of height is easily lost for a lot of buildings when viewed up close. One WTC, due to its relative isolation and featureless exterior, is not nearly as impressive up close as it is from a mile away. 432 Park doesn't have that problem because the facade is broken up into discrete blocks.
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Old January 14th, 2015, 02:30 AM   #15039
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Old January 14th, 2015, 06:19 AM   #15040
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I guess that answers the shadows-on-the-park question once and for all. (And in the dead of winter... right when you appreciate the sunlight the most.)
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