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Old January 24th, 2015, 08:30 AM   #15141
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I drew boxes, but I grew up in New York, and this was before cities like Dubai and Shanghai were really part of the skyscraper game. Not sure about kids today though!
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Old January 24th, 2015, 09:25 AM   #15142
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^Great pic onewtclover.
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Old January 24th, 2015, 01:32 PM   #15143
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Old January 24th, 2015, 04:03 PM   #15144
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Old January 25th, 2015, 12:21 AM   #15145
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Well, everyone's entitled to their opinions, of course. But ours are better

Honestly, I can accept that people don't like it. Some people like it on its own as a work of architecture but don't like it on the skyline. Others dislike it for other reasons. But the thing I don't get it how it ruins Central Park? The shadows issue is exaggerated, and it's not like the view of CPS was exclusively pre-war buildings before this showed up. Half of lower Central Park's appeal is the contrast between huge buildings and nature anyway, so....moot point?
I definitely think One57 is better. I didn't know people had objections to it before just now.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 12:54 AM   #15146
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From far away, the sheer size and dominance of this tower is much more evident.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 03:23 AM   #15147
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I definitely prefer 432 PA over One57. I don't know why some people can think 432 PA is ugly while saying that the old WTC was beautiful? They were almost the same shape, a bit shorter and the cladding was horrible, in my opinion.

The windows on 432 PA are simple, yet beautiful. It's a matter of time until it becomes a NYCs landmark and people start loving it.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 03:37 AM   #15148
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I definitely prefer 432 PA over One57. I don't know why some people can think 432 PA is ugly while saying that the old WTC was beautiful? They were almost the same shape, a bit shorter and the cladding was horrible, in my opinion.

The windows on 432 PA are simple, yet beautiful. It's a matter of time until it becomes a NYCs landmark and people start loving it.
Im my opinion (and I repeat: my opinion, so please don't argue with me) I think both 432 PA and the old WTC twin towers are/were boring, unimaginative boxes. Both fantastically tall and made quite a mark on the skyline, and the skyline is better off as a result. But compared to buildings like Chrysler, ESB, Woolworth etc. they're sorely lacking in anything that excites me as a fan of architecture. Looking forward to 111 West 57th to steal 432's thunder.
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Old January 25th, 2015, 08:52 PM   #15149
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There's only a handful of 'imaginative' buildings in the world, the rest copy their ideas
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Old January 26th, 2015, 02:14 AM   #15150
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Old January 26th, 2015, 03:13 AM   #15151
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Old January 26th, 2015, 02:28 PM   #15152
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Wow, it's outstanding. I'm wondering how long they made project of this thing...
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Old January 26th, 2015, 03:45 PM   #15153
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I remember when the Debt clock was where the BOA tower is......god I'm old.......
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Old January 26th, 2015, 03:57 PM   #15154
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It looks so unreal thin. I don't like it but it's amazing that it's stable.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 04:43 PM   #15155
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I don't know why some people can think 432 PA is ugly while saying that the old WTC was beautiful? They were almost the same shape, a bit shorter and the cladding was horrible, in my opinion.
The WTC towers featured the exterior steel work that emphasized the verticality and provided enough variation at the bottom to dignify the entry plazas and pedestrian engagement. It also had a readily identifiable top to the structure. Granted, WTC was also helped by the location (isolation and views) and the public accessibility. To wit...

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The windows on 432 PA are simple, yet beautiful. It's a matter of time until it becomes a NYCs landmark and people start loving it.
I think as the other tall towers come into play it will be just one in a chorus. Especially as these are all private residences there will be fewer means for people to engage the building other than from afar.

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It's weird considering whenever my kid brothers draw skyscrapers they're always with weird pointy shapes and circles and triangles and zigzags, not thin boxes like 432 Park

Idk if other kids draw thin boxes but that's not from my experience!
Maybe not thin but the predominant form used by little kids in drawing skyscrapers was simple boxy shapes and boxy windows. Especially if they were trying to fill the page. Here's a classic example from the kids' book Harold and the Purple Crayon, courtesy of the Story Philosophy blog:



I think much of the strength from 432 comes in elements that won't be seen/understood by the average person. It's tough to appreciate the finish of the concrete from 1,000 feet below, and as a pedestrian on the street it's difficult to recall that the windows are large for the sake of viewing from the inside when all you notice is the odd scale compared to the neighboring structures. But then again 432's principle charge is to make effective use of the structure for those inside, not those outside.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 04:51 PM   #15156
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It looks so unreal thin. I don't like it but it's amazing that it's stable.
I like it, and I think it's amazing that it's stable as well. I would have not thought it possible to make buildings that tall and thin. I find it very reminiscent of the former World Trade Center with how high it rises without setbacks. With improved technology, they were able to make it thinner and taller.
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Old January 26th, 2015, 05:00 PM   #15157
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Old January 26th, 2015, 05:28 PM   #15158
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Old January 26th, 2015, 05:36 PM   #15159
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Im my opinion (and I repeat: my opinion, so please don't argue with me) I think both 432 PA and the old WTC twin towers are/were boring, unimaginative boxes. Both fantastically tall and made quite a mark on the skyline, and the skyline is better off as a result. But compared to buildings like Chrysler, ESB, Woolworth etc. they're sorely lacking in anything that excites me as a fan of architecture. Looking forward to 111 West 57th to steal 432's thunder.
In my opinion ( ) it's nice to see a building that is a very well executed and proportioned essence of it ingredients. Like a good wine or glass of fine whisky, no funky straws or paper umbrellas. Just the product done really well...
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Old January 26th, 2015, 05:59 PM   #15160
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Im my opinion (and I repeat: my opinion, so please don't argue with me) I think both 432 PA and the old WTC twin towers are/were boring, unimaginative boxes. Both fantastically tall and made quite a mark on the skyline, and the skyline is better off as a result. But compared to buildings like Chrysler, ESB, Woolworth etc. they're sorely lacking in anything that excites me as a fan of architecture. Looking forward to 111 West 57th to steal 432's thunder.
The distinctiveness of the old World Trade Center and 432 Park is in the fact that no buildings ever rose so high without setbacks. That I find exciting and not boring.
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