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Old March 6th, 2015, 12:00 AM   #15481
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Old March 6th, 2015, 02:58 AM   #15482
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Old March 6th, 2015, 03:35 PM   #15483
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Old March 6th, 2015, 07:56 PM   #15484
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Old March 6th, 2015, 10:11 PM   #15485
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It`s funny, a few month ago i don`t like this building at all. For me it was boring, much too thin and in way ugly. It ruined the skyline...
But the longer i saw it and now almost complete i changed my opinion...i get used to it and now i like it. It will never come into my "top 10 ranking" but it`s simple design makes it nice for me.
Strange but true
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Old March 7th, 2015, 03:23 AM   #15486
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Old March 7th, 2015, 03:25 AM   #15487
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It`s funny, a few month ago i don`t like this building at all. For me it was boring, much too thin and in way ugly. It ruined the skyline...
But the longer i saw it and now almost complete i changed my opinion...i get used to it and now i like it. It will never come into my "top 10 ranking" but it`s simple design makes it nice for me.
Strange but true
intelligence allows for change. great post
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Old March 7th, 2015, 02:10 PM   #15488
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Old March 7th, 2015, 05:24 PM   #15489
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This is my first post in here, but I have been lurking around from 2012 and my native language is not English, so bare with me

To my eyes 432 Park Ave is simplistic and beautiful, and i could easily see my self living there (well not actually*) if i had the money to buy

* The reason i could not see myself living there, even if i had the money some day is simple. Living cost in that building is enormous and i cannot see why.

Apparently almost every skyscraper is very expensive to live on, if i have understood that correctly. I understand where the price on the apartment is coming, and would be happy to pay to top-price, if the location, scenery, apartment and everything else is high quality. And quality means also quality in utilities and house technology. And when when house is technologically high quality you should assume that it uses less water, less electricity and would be more efficient than cheaper buildings in every way.

For example with high price you can get the best windows, that have the best insulating values and don't let sun's heat inside. And heating+cooling can be done with best compressors and heat (in winter) and cool air (in summer) can be harvested from outgoing air and so on.

Is there something i miss?

I live in Finland, and we don't have skyscrapers here, so there could be many things that i have understood incorrectly.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 07:36 PM   #15490
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This is my first post in here, but I have been lurking around from 2012 and my native language is not English, so bare with me To my eyes 432 Park Ave is simplistic and beautiful, and i could easily see my self living there (well not actually*) if i had the money to buy * The reason i could not see myself living there, even if i had the money some day is simple. Living cost in that building is enormous and i cannot see why. Apparently almost every skyscraper is very expensive to live on, if i have understood that correctly. I understand where the price on the apartment is coming, and would be happy to pay to top-price, if the location, scenery, apartment and everything else is high quality. And quality means also quality in utilities and house technology. And when when house is technologically high quality you should assume that it uses less water, less electricity and would be more efficient than cheaper buildings in every way. For example with high price you can get the best windows, that have the best insulating values and don't let sun's heat inside. And heating+cooling can be done with best compressors and heat (in winter) and cool air (in summer) can be harvested from outgoing air and so on. Is there something i miss? I live in Finland, and we don't have skyscrapers here, so there could be many things that i have understood incorrectly.
It's not really the water or heating that costs much. Maintenance fees tend to be pretty high in NYC, especially in these über luxury buildings, where on top of the already high property tax and general running costs you're also paying for an army of staff opening the door for you, parking your car, serving you in the restaurant, cleaning the pool, etc...expensive stuff
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Old March 7th, 2015, 07:38 PM   #15491
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Once you reach the point of having enough money to live in this building, you do not think much about or care much about the electricity costs, the insulation level, or the water bill. Others pay these things for you. You just assume that the millions you spent ensure the best of everything. It's like buying a Ferrari then worrying about the fuel cost....you don't.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 07:39 PM   #15492
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This is my first post in here, but I have been lurking around from 2012 and my native language is not English, so bare with me

To my eyes 432 Park Ave is simplistic and beautiful, and i could easily see my self living there (well not actually*) if i had the money to buy

* The reason i could not see myself living there, even if i had the money some day is simple. Living cost in that building is enormous and i cannot see why.

Apparently almost every skyscraper is very expensive to live on, if i have understood that correctly. I understand where the price on the apartment is coming, and would be happy to pay to top-price, if the location, scenery, apartment and everything else is high quality. And quality means also quality in utilities and house technology. And when when house is technologically high quality you should assume that it uses less water, less electricity and would be more efficient than cheaper buildings in every way.

For example with high price you can get the best windows, that have the best insulating values and don't let sun's heat inside. And heating+cooling can be done with best compressors and heat (in winter) and cool air (in summer) can be harvested from outgoing air and so on.

Is there something i miss?

I live in Finland, and we don't have skyscrapers here, so there could be many things that i have understood incorrectly.
It's simple. Price is no matter for the ultra-rich, who are buying these condos anyway. All they care about is perceived quality. Details like environmental friendliness do not register in their minds.
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Old March 7th, 2015, 11:48 PM   #15493
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Thanks for answers.

That sounds like "Russian oligarchs lifestyle" to me, but maybe it's a cultural thing then.

I know some wealthy persons here in Finland and nobody have any pointless staff just the people running their state and businesses etc. And the reason they are wealthy is because they value their money, and don't throw it everywhere. Off course there are movie-stars, athletes and rock-stars who throw their money everywhere, but that's part of their role, and they usually ain't super rich when their career is over...

How much is the property tax in NY by the way, does it play any big part in those costs, or is it just the money throwing culture? And what is an average monthly payment in skyscrapers in NY?

Is there any skyscraper project that is focused in low living cost but high standards on living?

Sorry for all the questions, but this magnificent building (432 Park Ave) is getting my skyscraper fever up again. I want live there (Manhattan NY) someday When i'm old

P.S. a pricey 4 900 000€ apartment here in Finland has 1149.75 €/month (4.5€/m2 per month) living costs (called yhtiövastike here in Finland). It's not anything to compared a skyscraper apartment there in NY, but i gives a rough scale how much high quality living costs in Helsinki). And that 4.5€/m2 per month covers also heating in winter and cooling in summer.

Edit: No link to Helsinki apartment, because i can't yet post links (only 2 posts here).

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Old March 8th, 2015, 04:26 AM   #15494
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For the people buying an apartment in this building, the maintenance cost, that sound for most people like astronomical, is pennies for them. That money represents, as a percentage of their incomes, much, much less than a middle class person spends in maintenance costs in his/her "normal" apartment. Lets say you earn $3000 a month and the maintenance cost of your house is $600, that's 20% of your income. If they pay $25000 in maintenance fees, but their income is $500000 that is just 5% of their income, nothing to worry about.

The reason Movie, rock stars or athletes may end with not so much money is not necessarily overspending, they may very well afford their lifestyle, but obviously, you need a constant flow of money, if you carrer stops being succesfull, or when an athletes is at an age is no longer competitive, that flow of money stops, and if you didn't invested aprt of your money in something else, well...

This building is expensive to live in, because it offers a lot of services, pool, gym, catering, cleaning personnel and other five-star-hotel like services.
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Old March 8th, 2015, 07:24 AM   #15495
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Old March 8th, 2015, 03:14 PM   #15496
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Old March 8th, 2015, 03:45 PM   #15497
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Clearly the color of the glass depends on the angle you're looking at it and the color of the sky it reflects.
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Old March 8th, 2015, 04:01 PM   #15498
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Clearly the color of the glass depends on the angle you're looking at it and the color of the sky it reflects.
But for a few panes at the tower's base, all of the glass is still covered with plastic.
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Old March 8th, 2015, 04:05 PM   #15499
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But for a few panes at the tower's base, all of the glass is still covered with plastic.
A few windows a the top part are also uncovered, look at desertpunks post.
And in post 15463 these windows have a grey tint because of the grey clouds.
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Old March 8th, 2015, 05:09 PM   #15500
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I'm sure the interior glass is also protected from the internal construction, so you won't get a true sense of color until they're removed.
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