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Old March 31st, 2012, 09:22 PM   #1641
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This tower is going to make a fantastic addition to the New York skyline. I find it absurd that people are complaining about it being ridiculously thin. This is what makes the tower so special and beautiful. If It was wider it would be way to dominating and bland, its been done before, (old twin towers). I think the fact that it's a box is also a bold design statement, that will stand the test of time. I much rather have a tall thin box then something like those tacky towers in Dubai. Can't wait to see this rise!
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Old March 31st, 2012, 09:51 PM   #1642
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Its not the fact that its thin, its the fact that its thin and just a box, i will hold my judgement till I see the facade though. For example, this tower below is thin, but also beautiful.
I'm sorry but those terraces are ugly, they totally ruin the tower.

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I'm liking this tower less and less. I love box designs, but this building is horrific. It's not iconic, it's not memorable, it's just...there. I seriously hope they choose a good facade/cladding to make up for the terrible renders I've seen so far...
Here's a newsflash for you: there have been no official renders released so far, only some primitive massing models. You can't really judge a tower's design by a simple massing model.
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Old March 31st, 2012, 10:46 PM   #1643
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I'm sorry but those terraces are ugly, they totally ruin the tower.



Here's a newsflash for you: there have been no official renders released so far, only some primitive massing models. You can't really judge a tower's design by a simple massing model.
True, but It would look amazing without the terraces
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:18 AM   #1644
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I'm liking this tower less and less. I love box designs, but this building is horrific. It's not iconic, it's not memorable, it's just...there. I seriously hope they choose a good facade/cladding to make up for the terrible renders I've seen so far...
While you may not like it, this 400m+ tower, consisting of six floating buildings, is hardly "horrific."


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Old April 1st, 2012, 10:47 AM   #1645
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 06:45 PM   #1646
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While you may not like it, this 400m+ tower, consisting of six floating buildings, is hardly "horrific."


Some of us think differently. Understanding the economics of this tower is not hard. It would make no sense for a developer to squander any of the footprint on fripperies like 'design'. Consequently though, even with the best facade in the world, as it's design is so insanely simple, to some of us it looks reheally boring and will be somewhat of an eyesore.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 06:47 PM   #1647
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Some of us think differently. Understanding the economics of this tower are not hard. It would make no sense for a developer to squander any of the footprint on fripperies like 'design', but consequently even with the best facade in the world, as it's design is so insanely simple to some of us it looks reheally boring and will be somewhat of an eyesore.
But this isn't the final rendering.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 07:30 PM   #1648
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We understood that. People, stop repeating the same stuff again and again with every page, thank you.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 08:30 PM   #1649
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Some of us think differently. Understanding the economics of this tower is not hard. It would make no sense for a developer to squander any of the footprint on fripperies like 'design'. Consequently though, even with the best facade in the world, as it's design is so insanely simple, to some of us it looks reheally boring and will be somewhat of an eyesore.
Boring eh? Well, thank God I don't think like you. This tower is far from boring. Oh, and 'eyesore'? That is going too far. Well, good thing we all have different eyes. I'd hate to have your lack of appreciation for simple elegant minimalist presence. This soaring floating segmented building may offend your sensibilities because it's not similar to the flashy over-the-top designs like the Pentominium, Shanghai Tower, or Damac heights. However, some of us actually DO like the simplicity and power of such quiet, powerful and understated designs and can appreciate these buildings rather than just trashing them without due contemplation as ' just another 'boring box''.

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Old April 2nd, 2012, 09:44 PM   #1650
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We understood that. People, stop repeating the same stuff again and again with every page, thank you.
If it's not interesting enough to you, don't read it..Or do you want us to write as you wish? Your "highness"..

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Old April 2nd, 2012, 09:47 PM   #1651
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If it's not interesting enough to you, don't read it..Or do you want us to write as you wish? Your "highness"..

No rules were broken..
Erbse is right. What sense does it make to debate about the same stuff over and over again?
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 09:51 PM   #1652
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this tower needs only some structure:

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Old April 2nd, 2012, 09:54 PM   #1653
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Because this is place to debate about such things..At least I understand it that way..If some new members come in, they are allowed to ask and debate about it because it's new for them..If someone don't want to read it, just skip it..

If I were new here, it would be logical that I don't know what was discussed earlier..
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 09:56 PM   #1654
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Because this is place to debate about such things..At least I understand it that way..If some new members come in, they are allowed to ask and debate about it because it's new for them..If someone don't want to read it, just skip it..

If I were new here, it would be logical that I don't know what was discussed earlier..
Thread and posts are constantly there, newbies can READ the threads if they are really interested and have a knowledge what was debated already, and contribute new stuff and POV's.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 10:19 PM   #1655
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Boring eh? Well, thank God I don't think like you. This tower is far from boring. Oh, and 'eyesore'? That is going too far. Well, good thing we all have different eyes. I'd hate to have your lack of appreciation for simple elegant minimalist presence. This soaring floating segmented building may offend your sensibilities because it's not similar to the flashy over-the-top designs like the Pentominium, Shanghai Tower, or Damac heights. However, some of us actually DO like the simplicity and power of such quiet, powerful and understated designs and can appreciate these buildings rather than just trashing them without due contemplation as ' just another 'boring box''.
Did I try and belittle you and your thoughts? Did I not only give my own? If you like this, then that's lovely, I was merely reminding all of you lovers that there of some of us who disagree. I don't like the Pentominium, I hate the Damac Heights and the Shanghai Tower is so-so. Don't make assumptions about my taste when all you have to go on is our differing opinion on this one building. I generally like boxy stuff, but I'll say it again: this is just too far.

There is simple elegance and then there is preposterous simplicity. As I said, it makes little sense to build anything other than a box on this site, I understand that, but as far as I'm concerned, making it the city's tallest is unnecessary to make money. I'm sure they could turn a profit with a tower of such small footprint that was under 300m.

The main problem for me is that this tower doesn't look like the height was anything other than a financial decision. I can imagine that once upon a time when this tower was first being designed there could have been thoughts of a simple yet beautiful tower which seamlessly fit into the skyline. Something of fair height which would still have made an impact, something around 250m, something that was as elegant as you think this is, something that looked like it's design matched its height. Then some greedy executive caught wind of that and said 'nah, screw understated, we need as much cash as we can get, let's go over 400m'.

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Old April 2nd, 2012, 10:22 PM   #1656
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Here's a newsflash for you: there have been no official renders released so far, only some primitive massing models. You can't really judge a tower's design by a simple massing model.
Then why are there so many people here going "Ooh and aah" about the design? I can't recall any other project progressing this far with the public and the City based on just a massing model.
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If It was wider it would be way to dominating and bland, its been done before, (old twin towers). I think the fact that it's a box is also a bold design statement, that will stand the test of time.
Contradictory statements there, no? Being boxy in NYC is hardly new or bold, such that this isn't even a design statement: It's capitulation to inhuman efficiency.
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This tower is far from boring.
Challenge accepted/given.

I understand that architecturally minimalism is a true and valid art form, and that the mantra "form follows function" is a strong reminder that architecture is unique among arts because of its very role. As I've said before, the interior spaces of this design (er, massing model!) may prove fantastic experiences that forever define its value. As an element on the skyline and civic space, however, minimalism turns its back to the public experience. This is what most people are reacting to.

Perhaps the "soaring floating segmented building" will stand out, though I've yet to see where the divisions creating the floating effect are little more than conventional utility floors that in many perspectives are barely distinguishable from the rest of the building. Thus, what you see as "quiet... and understated" I see as devoid of character. You don't make a striking statement in NYC by looking like a design focused completely internally with limited regard for the exterior originality.

There may well yet prove to be nuances to the design elements and construction that show true craft and design consideration, but at the city-scape level those aren't affective, thus viewers are left seeing something robotic in filling space. In fact it's so minimalist as to look as if designed by robots, for robots.

Yes, it's pure in form and high on function, to the point that there is little art to the eye. Unless something comes along to change that perspective, I'd say that means it's boring. I look forward to seeing your counterpoints.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 10:30 PM   #1657
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In fact it's so minimalist as to look as if designed by robots, for robots.
Yes, it's pure in form and high on function, to the point that there is little art to the eye. Unless something comes along to change that perspective, I'd say that means it's boring.
"designed by robots, for robots", Love it!

I agree with a lot of what you said. The height and thinness of this building is impressive. But it's about all it has going for itself at this point.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 10:32 PM   #1658
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Then why are there so many people here going "Ooh and aah" about the design? I can't recall any other project progressing this far with the public and the City based on just a massing model........

.....Yes, it's pure in form and high on function, to the point that there is little art to the eye. Unless something comes along to change that perspective, I'd say that means it's boring. I look forward to seeing your counterpoints.
You said it so much better than me.
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Thread and posts are constantly there, newbies can READ the threads if they are really interested and have a knowledge what was debated already, and contribute new stuff and POV's.
Well, i don't think anyone is crazy enough to read all the pages just to be sure that his question is answered before..And I don't think any of rules says "don't discuss already discussed topics", so moderator's warnings about what people should post and what shouldn't just because he saw similar discussion is not in place and not fair..

No rules broken, discussion on topic, so I don't see the problem..
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 11:03 PM   #1660
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Then why are there so many people here going "Ooh and aah" about the design? I can't recall any other project progressing this far with the public and the City based on just a massing model.
Actually that's nothing new for NY. F.e., One57 was even a couple of floors above ground before a render was released. The render turned out to be something totally different compared to previous massing models and speculation and / or artitsts' renderings. So yeah, there's still a pretty good chance that the actual building will be much nicer and more aesthetically pleasing than what we've seen so far.
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