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Old December 24th, 2015, 03:11 AM   #17241
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I'd say the issue is that it doesn't blend in at all. Case in point:
j-biz has a fair explanation:

It's just so blunt in its form, a testament to its purity of function since it doesn't attempt to offer anything to the public skyline other than "tall residential building here." It's not required to do otherwise, but it does mean that it sticks out like a stray, uncut hair on a fashion model.
surely, you must be talking about the empire state building just a couple of decade ago,

quite an astute observation, indeed
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Old December 24th, 2015, 03:26 AM   #17242
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Old December 24th, 2015, 03:47 AM   #17243
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There is a difference: the Empire State Building looks good compared to this "middle finger". It practically curses architectural beauty.
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Old December 24th, 2015, 04:01 AM   #17244
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There is a difference: the Empire State Building looks good compared to this "middle finger". It practically curses architectural beauty.
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Old December 24th, 2015, 04:24 AM   #17245
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There is a difference: the Empire State Building looks good compared to this "middle finger". It practically curses architectural beauty.
So you just hate modern architecture. Got it.
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Old December 24th, 2015, 01:41 PM   #17246
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There is a difference: the Empire State Building looks good compared to this "middle finger". It practically curses architectural beauty.
take your thumb...cover the mast of the ESB...voila.
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Old December 24th, 2015, 03:26 PM   #17247
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Seeing so many people complain is just further proof people just like controversy...complain for the sake of complaining. The ESB was not always widely consider a master piece.

I personally like this building and its simplistic look. Does it look a little out of place right now...well maybe some could think that. However I like to envision 10 years from now when the rest of the supertalls around central park are complete, suddenly this building fits in perfectly and was one of the buildings that started the height race in NYC.
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Old December 24th, 2015, 03:56 PM   #17248
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take your thumb...cover the mast of the ESB...voila.
It is true that it create more imbalance on the already unbalanced skyline on the east side.

432 Park is not a bad building (and will look even better in the skyline once the other supertalls will be completed), but can't hold a candle to ESB.

ESB have proportionate setbacks and beautiful details on the facade... true gem.



though the technical equipment do take some of it's charm.
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Old December 24th, 2015, 09:40 PM   #17249
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So you just hate modern architecture. Got it.
I love modern architecture as long as it doesn't look like this. I honestly don't see how this can be called "modern".
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Old December 24th, 2015, 09:56 PM   #17250
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Each time has its own unique architectural considered. Today's proposal reflects the thoughts and perhaps the culture of the nation. The research plan should not be undermined.
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Old December 25th, 2015, 04:26 PM   #17251
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Old December 25th, 2015, 09:59 PM   #17252
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Seeing so many people complain is just further proof people just like controversy...complain for the sake of complaining. .......


Either that, or... THEY HAVE AN OPINION



You DO know that this is a forum ? A forum filled with hundreds of people with hundreds of differing opinions. Because someone doesn't like what you like doesn't mean it's 'controversial'.
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Old December 26th, 2015, 12:50 AM   #17253
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CTBUH has this listed as completed
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Old December 26th, 2015, 02:22 AM   #17254
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Each time has its own unique architectural considered. Today's proposal reflects the thoughts and perhaps the culture of the nation. The research plan should not be undermined.
I really doubt they put much thoughts and research in the architecture of this tower from cultural (or artistic) point of view.

Is more like form follow function and engineering challenge.

They wanted apartments with a lot of light, hence the huge windows...

They wanted apartments with lots of open spaces, hence a lot of its structure is part of the outside wall, and we have the big columns...

Wind tunnel testing found too much stress... hence the "air drums"

and so on...
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Old December 26th, 2015, 02:27 AM   #17255
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Old December 26th, 2015, 02:31 AM   #17256
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Each time has its own unique architectural considered. Today's proposal reflects the thoughts and perhaps the culture of the nation. The research plan should not be undermined.
While it's true that a general architectural style can be placed in time, that doesn't mean every time has its own style or that other styles aren't used.

Witness the use of classical Greek and Roman styles in US public buildings, or Gothic styles in Manhattan skyscrapers.
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Old December 26th, 2015, 03:36 AM   #17257
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I really doubt they put much thoughts and research in the architecture of this tower from cultural (or artistic) point of view.

Is more like form follow function and engineering challenge.

They wanted apartments with a lot of light, hence the huge windows...

They wanted apartments with lots of open spaces, hence a lot of its structure is part of the outside wall, and we have the big columns...

Wind tunnel testing found too much stress... hence the "air drums"

and so on...

Well that's pretty much what happens with every architectural "style" in the world.

The romans or greeks, didn't really put much more thought from an artistical or cultural point of view than on this tower. Their architecture was the consecuence of the evolution, during hundreds of years, of their society needs, beliefs, technological achievements and knowledge, materials availability, economic output, influence of other cultures (past or contemporary with them) etc.

For example a gothic cathedral was as it was more because of the cosequence of such factors than a determined will of doing it that way.

The church was the most powerful institution of the time, hence the cathedrals were the most important buildings made.

They have availability of stone, plus a developed (during hundreds of years) technology and craftmanship with that material, plus it was the best material known for doing those big buildings, so they made them using that material.

They wanted them to be imposing and symbolic, so they did them very tall (and the carachteristical external form of a gothic spire was the way they developed and know for making such structure possible)

They wanted them to have as much natural light as possible so they did big windows (and for doing that they had to develop the characteristic flying buttress so the external walls could have much bigger windows)

They needed big unobstructed interior space, so they used the mentioned flying buttress, arches and vaults.

And so on...

The difference is that back then that was pretty much the only way they know to do that, so each cathedral was like a variant of the same theme (not sure if that is a correct expresion in english)

Nowadays with more technology and materials available you can do more (many times arbitrary) variations. The architect could've done it rounded, put a spire, made it a glass bo or add balconies ala 56 Leonard, etc.
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Old December 26th, 2015, 03:38 AM   #17258
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I really doubt they put much thoughts and research in the architecture of this tower from cultural (or artistic) point of view. Is more like form follow function and engineering challenge. They wanted apartments with a lot of light, hence the huge windows... They wanted apartments with lots of open spaces, hence a lot of its structure is part of the outside wall, and we have the big columns... Wind tunnel testing found too much stress... hence the "air drums" and so on...
It's very naive to think that just because a design is minimalistic the people creating it don't put much thinking into it. If it had a spire, some ornaments or those repulsive tacky '3d printed' giant stone eagles that that ridiculous 57th st proposal had on you'd think that a lot of research went into it and it's artistic?
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Old December 26th, 2015, 08:44 AM   #17259
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Old December 26th, 2015, 11:55 AM   #17260
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It's very naive to think that just because a design is minimalistic the people creating it don't put much thinking into it.
you are right... they put a lot of thinking into it... strike of genius I might say...

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