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Old May 7th, 2016, 02:35 AM   #17761
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something I have wanted to do ever since joining ssc - an update on a nyc building. obviously, it had to be 432 park av. here goes, my two pictures, will post more when back home
Nice shots, dude! I hope you don't mind me doodling with one of them (say the word and I'll delete) but your shot from the ESB really got me thinking...

The luxury market's starting to cool and Macklowe was shrewd enough to catch the wave at just the right time. So while everyone else is playing catch-up, if I were in their shoes, I'd already be gearing up for the next cycle some are predicting for 2020 and beyond. Specifically, given 432 Park's success, I'd be trying to snap up 555 Madison or another catty-corner parcel in order to build a twin:

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Old May 9th, 2016, 03:15 AM   #17762
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I'm still wondering why this thread has been archived, last time I checked the building's mechanical floors were still being worked on and the courtyard is still under construction.

But anyway, fun facts about this building... Vinoly seems to have some issues with execution.

From the Post article

Developer says ‘***** envy’ is fueling city’s tower obsession
http://nypost.com/2016/05/08/archite...ica-is-flawed/

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It has a couple of screw-ups,” the Uruguayan-born New York architect said during a talk hosted by the Douglas Elliman brokerage inside the building last week.

Speaking to The Post afterward, he added, “The first has to do with the windows.”

The 96-story, 1,396-square-inch tower at Park Avenue and East 57th Street has six 100-square-foot windows on every side of every floor. But on the inside, the windows are thickly framed, awkwardly sucking up interior space.

“That was Harry’s idea,” Viñoly, 71, said, referring to the developer, Harry Macklowe.
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A source familiar with the tower’s construction confirmed that the window framing was Macklowe’s idea.
Harry wanted the windows framed in,” the source said. “But it takes up space. His idea was that the windows showcase picture-perfect views of Central Park, and Harry wanted all the windows framed and recessed.”

Many people who have bought at the building have already removed the frames.
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The second flaw, according to Viñoly, is “the interior design and layout.”

432 Park’s interiors were handled by Deborah Berke Partners. Its founder, Deborah Berke, is the new dean at the Yale School of Architecture.

For example, Viñoly said he objects to where the bathrooms are located, at the front of the units in many cases.
And some cat fight between developers...
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And Macklowe has said there is an amount of “***** envy” driving the city’s new crop of supertall towers.
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Viñoly didn’t just diss his own building at the Elliman Talks event. He had harsh words for Pritzker Prize-winning architect Christian de Portzamparc, who designed One57, at 157 W. 57th St., which has been called New York’s first “billionaires’ building.”

“What is the name of that building by that French guy? It would have been better without all that glass. I think it is an absolutely horrendous building,” Viñoly said.
Just hilarious.
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Old May 9th, 2016, 09:29 AM   #17763
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Nice shots, dude! I hope you don't mind me doodling with one of them (say the word and I'll delete) but your shot from the ESB really got me thinking...

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build a twin
No problem at all, mate, and you're making a good point, however, the one thing I could point out afer my visit to Manhattan is that the distances between some of the buildings are really, really small. If I'd be paying millions of dollars for a Manhattan apartment, I wouldn't want to have the view obstructed by another building seating several metres away.

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How was it to see the building in real life?
If you think it looks good on the phots, in person 432 Park Ave is absolutely stunning. It is the simplicity that strikes the most, but perhaps not in the way you think. Bear with me here. In my opinion, the building is so imposing mainly because of the height and its simple, unobstructed shape - should it have any antennas, balconies, loggies, etc - it'd be way over the top, way too much to handle for a bystander. As it is, you're amazed by the height and there is nothing to distract you.
I'd love to be able to put it simple, but it's tough for an engineer to explain the feelings you get...
A true Manhattan Great. With a capital G for a reason.
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Old May 9th, 2016, 10:14 PM   #17764
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No problem at all, mate, and you're making a good point, however, the one thing I could point out afer my visit to Manhattan is that the distances between some of the buildings are really, really small. If I'd be paying millions of dollars for a Manhattan apartment, I wouldn't want to have the view obstructed by another building seating several metres away.
Yeah, you're not wrong, although that's why I think a catty-corner site is optimal (and the reason I thought 555 Madison was an ideal choice).



With two sites corner-on-corner from each other, you preserve views in nearly all directions, only obscuring the NE-SW view corridor. So the Southern tower would maybe not get the perfect view up Park Avenue or to LIC, and the Northern tower wouldn't get a great view towards the Hudson yards...

But the most important "money shot" views would be preserved for both towers:



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Old May 10th, 2016, 08:23 PM   #17765
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On another note after seeing your top view - that would look worryingly close to the WTC twins, but if any city is ready to "break the curse", for a lack of a better phrase, it's NYC.

Another couple of photos taken early May. Again, these might not be as good as some of the photography in this topic, but I'm going to post them regardless, as this means so, so much to me. Yes, I'm repeating myself at this point.







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Old May 10th, 2016, 08:32 PM   #17766
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Looks great in those last shots!
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Old May 10th, 2016, 10:13 PM   #17767
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I would bath forever with this view
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Old May 11th, 2016, 03:25 AM   #17768
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Old May 11th, 2016, 05:08 AM   #17769
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My face when someone says this building ruins the NY skyline.
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Old May 11th, 2016, 07:28 AM   #17770
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Old May 11th, 2016, 08:05 AM   #17771
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80s sanitary
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Old May 11th, 2016, 08:51 PM   #17772
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On another note after seeing your top view - that would look worryingly close to the WTC twins, but if any city is ready to "break the curse", for a lack of a better phrase, it's NYC.
That was sort of the idea. The proportions of 432 Park remind me of the Twin Towers; I think it's almost exactly 1/4 the footprint of one of them, at the same height. And even with the CPS towers rising a few blocks away, 432 is still going to be pretty lonely on that park of the skyline. So pairing 432 with a twin feels very natural to me, maybe just because the silhouette of those towering, off-set boxes is forever seared into my mind.

Plus I've yet to see a developer actually build a set of super-slender, "bamboo shoot" twins, although I think it would be truly iconic. The closest we've gotten was the Renzo Piano proposal for San Francisco in the mid-aughts that got scrapped for 50 First...



Of course anything resembling the WTC is going to carry emotional baggage. The fact is, 432 Park represents a whole new (top-heavy) economic paradigm in America compared to what the Twins represented, so co-opting that iconography for the ultra-rich could make people feel icky. On the other hand though, these skinny-scrapers also represent a huge leap in technological/engineering innovation, which Americans adore and which the Twins also represented.

Anyway it's not like anyone is proposing it -- but since this thread is archived now, it seems like the place for meaningless speculation and thought experiments. All I know is, I think I would like it.

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My face when someone says this building ruins the NY skyline.
Oh my. *fans self*
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Old May 11th, 2016, 10:15 PM   #17773
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On another note after seeing your top view - that would look worryingly close to the WTC twins, but if any city is ready to "break the curse", for a lack of a better phrase, it's NYC.
Yeah, sadly that is true.But that kind of idea with twin towers offset from each other is done quite a lot actually.
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When i first saw the renders for this tower i was shocked by it's thinness. Now the other towers juist look fat.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 11:17 AM   #17775
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I think this building looks better when viewed from street level. Like some pics above. I won't say it ruins the skyline, but its effect to make other buildings look fat is a challange for the eyes. Anyway It's a great new icon for New York

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Old May 12th, 2016, 12:02 PM   #17776
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I won't say it ruins the skyline, but its effect to make other buildings look fat is a challange for the eyes.
Isn't that the whole point of Manhattan? Over 100 years of development through every style, material, shape and height - it's all there. Nothing can ruin it, but anything can enhance it, as shown by the addition of 432 Park Ave.
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Old May 12th, 2016, 12:52 PM   #17777
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Agree. I think it's some kind of get used to it too.
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to build something twice is nonsense. theres no architect with some self esteem who would do that.
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Ouch Minoru Yamasaki or César Pelli.. i guess your twin projects were not the main reason for your notoriety.. only signs of your low self esteem
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Ouch Minoru Yamasaki or César Pelli.. i guess your twin projects were not the main reason for your notoriety.. only signs of your low self esteem
..signs of a lack of imagination. at least one has to vary the size
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