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Old May 9th, 2012, 03:08 PM   #1821
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Ugliest tower in the world!
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Old May 9th, 2012, 06:17 PM   #1822
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You've never seen the Dubai Marina, haven't you?
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Old May 9th, 2012, 06:55 PM   #1823
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Very elegant tower. It is plain and simple, but that is the way i like it. What do New Yorkers think about this new skyscraper?
Most NYers don't follow developments like this first off. So while this is U/C most people will probably just think of it as another tall building, until it breaks the monotony of 600 footers in Midtown, and eventually tops out and people realize just how tall it actually is. Then I honestly think given it's insane dimensions it'll become a really popular building in the city. Even if you don't like the shape, it will be something you have to see to believe.

I'm warming to the building. It comes down to materials, but I think the high end brushed nickel exoskeletal facade, could look absolutely incredible. I mean, we're still in a fragile economic recovery, and 1 WTC just passed the ESB as the tallest in the city, and this will surpass 1 WTC as the tallest roof height in the city in a few years if construction continues. It ain't all bad...

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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:23 PM   #1824
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You've never seen the Dubai Marina, haven't you?
ok, your right. Second ugliest tower in the world!
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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #1825
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Wow, couldn't they find another site? It was a beautiful building this hotel!

Anyway: tall slim boxy buildings = elegant; twisted vegetables = tacky. But the best thing is, it's to push the boundaries for new heights. I wanna see this building lost in the middle of a new generation of supertalls! New century, new heights!
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Old May 9th, 2012, 08:24 PM   #1826
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If they would just make the tower abit like Tower verre and one57. With the setbacks and so. It would be a beauty and a landmark in New York. With the current design it will be an hated building.. That may ruin the skyline...
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Old May 9th, 2012, 08:27 PM   #1827
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If they would just make the tower abit like Tower verre and one57. With the setbacks and so. It would be a beauty and a landmark in New York. With the current design it will be an hated building.. That may ruin the skyline...
Hopefully they will realize how out of place it looks, and either not build it, or make a better design. If this is built with the current design, it will absolutely ruin the skyline
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Really hope so. The current design is just an utter disgrace to all of NYC..
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Old May 9th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #1829
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How can it ruin the skyline if the Twins didn't ruin it (in fact, they made it far more interesting). Boxy shapes are not alien in Manhattan. The city lost 2 boxes, why should it be denied one as a replacement. Many people like boxy and simplistic design and I think that even to those who don't like it, it will be bearable, especially if the cladding is good and according to the renders it'll be very good
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Old May 9th, 2012, 08:47 PM   #1830
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well you are right, Its more the fact, that it will be the tallest by roof, and that it is soooo thin!
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:00 PM   #1831
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It looks like they are moving along quickly here. Does anyone know the construction company that is building this?
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:04 PM   #1832
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It completely abandons all rules of human proportions and aesthetics, unlike the old WTC, which was well proportioned.

It's a building that ruins the skyline. Period.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:09 PM   #1833
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Thank you, this is exactly how I feel. Its way too thin for its height.

Look at this pic

It is an eyesore...

The Twin towers were boxes, and they looked great, but that's because they were big and imposing.
This future building is way to thin there isn't any space left in Manhattan to construct wider buildings it's over saturated. Lower Manhattan has no space neither Mid Town and Upper Manhattan is cluttered with mid size housing. Aren't buildings coming up on the Hudson Rail Yards.
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This will ruined the NYC Skyline it will look like a glass pencil shoved down in the ground. No Like
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #1835
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It completely abandons all rules of human proportions and aesthetics, unlike the old WTC, which was well proportioned.

It's a building that ruins the skyline. Period.
"Human proportions"? What's that? 100m, 200m, 300m? And about proportionality and skyline composition, let's build taller and problem solved! 432 Park will be lost in the middle of them.

There are plenty of skinny buildings Downtown beautifully forming a skyline.
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^ It's more about height-to-width-ratio and shape. It's starting to look ridiculous in such measures.

Never heard of proportion models, the Golden Ratio?

This is a good starter as well, further literature recommended: Proportion (architecture)
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Old May 9th, 2012, 09:46 PM   #1837
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It completely abandons all rules of human proportions and aesthetics, unlike the old WTC, which was well proportioned.

It's a building that ruins the skyline. Period.
So true. Why do people compare this and the WTC ? The WTC was huge, and tall. This is extremely thin, and way too tall.This will destroy midtown's skyline, sadly people won't realize this until it's too late.
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How can it ruin the skyline if the Twins didn't ruin it (in fact, they made it far more interesting). Boxy shapes are not alien in Manhattan. The city lost 2 boxes, why should it be denied one as a replacement. Many people like boxy and simplistic design and I think that even to those who don't like it, it will be bearable, especially if the cladding is good and according to the renders it'll be very good
The twins didnt ruin the skyline because of how wide they were and because there were two of them, standing at the entrance to new york as two guardians. What kills this project is its seemingly random location and its comically thin and uninspired design. Boxes are one of my favourite building types, but they could have planned this project a lot better.
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In addition, I wonder how anyone would pay humongous prices to live in such rather tiny apartments without any balconies. There are much more favourable objects in the Manhattan highend market.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 10:14 PM   #1840
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The twins didnt ruin the skyline because of how wide they were and because there were two of them, standing at the entrance to new york as two guardians. What kills this project is its seemingly random location and its comically thin and uninspired design. Boxes are one of my favourite building types, but they could have planned this project a lot better.
Well put. To bad we have in this thread usually just bunch of mad people on both sides fighting with each other and very little arguments like in your post. I can only add that this building would look great in the really tall skyline if it wasn't the tallest in it's surrounding, because then it would just "rise" above the skyline and disproportion wouldn't be visible as well as the flat top wouldn't be a soar as it is when the building is the tallest in it's location. But that would require extremely tall surrounding filled with supertalls and megatalls. Somewhere in the future it will look good in its location, but I thing buildings should be planned optimally for the times they are to be constructed. I have nothing against the tower itself, I grown to like it as I repeated many times before, I'm just worried what impact it will make to the skyline. Maybe it won't ruing it that bad. Who knows?

@TheOneGuy, you practically repeated my opinion on the twins subject. When I see how people compares 432 to the I feel exactly the same about it. Especially the location part is was important. They were located in well though "landmark location". Imagine twins in midtown
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