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Old May 11th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #1881
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Old May 11th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #1882
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Now that is impressive, if it looks like that, this building may grow on me
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Old May 11th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #1883
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The tower fits perfectly well into the skyline on the picture above!

I think if it was ONLY 432 in that picture, it wouldn't look right, but with the rest of the other new talls being built there, like the image shows, then this building is good enough for me! :')
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Old May 11th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #1884
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In context with those other huge towers, 432 Park does look better, but I still find it to be the least inspired. I used to wish it was only about 250m, but with those other towers I could probably be very happy with 300m. Bottom line, after seeing that very well done image, I'm feeling at least a little better about this building. I'm sure all you defenders are ecstatic about my slight change of heart I must say however that it will be extremely interesting to see this thing rise.

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Old May 11th, 2012, 01:02 PM   #1885
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Robert Walpole brigged for starting yet another city vs. city flamewar.

People, don't care about such stupid statements or others will follow! Thanks.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 01:41 PM   #1886
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The tower fits perfectly well into the skyline on the picture above!

I think if it was ONLY 432 in that picture, it wouldn't look right, but with the rest of the other new talls being built there, like the image shows, then this building is good enough for me! :')
That was my concern also. Looks better now.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 02:25 PM   #1887
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LOL, Bob's in jail again

Btw, spectre, thank you for the detailed plans. I hope that the diagram at SSP will soon be updated with this newest info

As to Burj khalifa being skinnier than 432 Park, that is only hald true. In its top sections it might be skinnier, but its lower sections are quite massive. That's why I think 432 will be a superior engineering achievement compared to Burj Khalifa because a nontappering box will get a harder time by wind than a "nail" building like Burj Khalifa
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Old May 11th, 2012, 04:52 PM   #1888
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OH MY GOD! I almost cried! That's the ultimate XXI century skyline! New York will rule forever!

Really, let this baby starts to grow and everyone will change their minds about it.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:35 PM   #1889
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Even though it might seem to blend in this picture, it'll be quite a desaster when experienced in its surroundings. The proportions are as wrong as they could be.

But the effect could be less harmful if they decided to do something interesting with the top. A flat roof is the worst thing they could do here.

A tasteful spire or real roof shape would make this tower so much better.
A setback-like roof would be the best fitting solution here, comparable to that of Art Deco masterpieces that everybody loves such as AIG Building, United Office Bldg Niagara, Piggot Building or the Empire State, only more simplistic.


This is how I'd like 432 Park to be done (you get the idea):


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That's NYC style. Too bad the zoning law isn't valid in Manhattan anymore, it totally defined the place and made it the best skyline in the world, until all those modernists and their bland concrete/steel/glass boxes came to homogenize it to lame international standards, step by step.

MANHATTAN = SETBACKS!


In addition, you could have the world's most impressive rooftop terraces on those setbacks.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:44 PM   #1890
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Its surreal that Manhattan is getting all these towers. Just a few years ago i was excited by the BofA tower and now all these biggies, wow.

Cant wait to go back to NYC soonish. <3
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #1891
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Even though it might seem to blend in this picture, it'll be quite a desaster when experienced in its surroundings. The proportions are as wrong as they could be.

But the effect could be less harmful if they decided to do something interesting with the top. A flat roof is the worst thing they could do here.


That's NYC style. Too bad the zoning law isn't valid in Manhattan anymore, it totally defined the place and made it the best skyline in the world, until all those modernists and their bland concrete/steel/glass boxes came to homogenize it to lame international standards, step by step.

MANHATTAN = SETBACKS!


In addition, you could have the world's most impressive rooftop terraces on those setbacks.
I disagree actually. I think overall, the building is pretty uninspired. But as I think adding some sort of ornamental feature on this current design would look like an afterthought. I think if there were to be a spire added to a building on this site, they should redesign the building entirely. I had something in mind like a supersized Shard in London.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:45 PM   #1892
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Tower Verre look AWESOME in that picture.

PS, could a mod change the height from 1397 to 1398. I know it's a very minor detail, but some of us obsess.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:55 PM   #1893
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LOL, Bob's in jail again

Btw, spectre, thank you for the detailed plans. I hope that the diagram at SSP will soon be updated with this newest info

As to Burj khalifa being skinnier than 432 Park, that is only hald true. In its top sections it might be skinnier, but its lower sections are quite massive. That's why I think 432 will be a superior engineering achievement compared to Burj Khalifa because a nontappering box will get a harder time by wind than a "nail" building like Burj Khalifa
Indeed, the Burj Khalifa was proposed to get such a shape with the setbacks because it was the strongest shape against wind.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:55 PM   #1894
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Aweaome skyline!!! But are there all projects on this pictures?
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:55 PM   #1895
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Must admit, that 432PA, kinda looks good in this pic nice work mate!
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #1896
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Old May 11th, 2012, 05:57 PM   #1897
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PS, could a mod change the height from 1397 to 1398. I know it's a very minor detail, but some of us obsess.
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Even though it might seem to blend in this picture, it'll be quite a desaster when experienced in its surroundings. The proportions are as wrong as they could be.

But the effect could be less harmful if they decided to do something interesting with the top. A flat roof is the worst thing they could do here.

A tasteful spire or real roof shape would make this tower so much better.
A setback-like roof would be the best fitting solution here, comparable to that of Art Deco masterpieces that everybody loves such as AIG Building, United Office Bldg Niagara, Piggot Building or the Empire State, only more simplistic.


This is how I'd like 432 Park to be done (you get the idea):


Original image credit: mattron/flickr - Edited by user sbarn and me


That's NYC style. Too bad the zoning law isn't valid in Manhattan anymore, it totally defined the place and made it the best skyline in the world, until all those modernists and their bland concrete/steel/glass boxes came to homogenize it to lame international standards, step by step.

MANHATTAN = SETBACKS!


In addition, you could have the world's most impressive rooftop terraces on those setbacks.
I think the original looks far better. Art deco lovers already have a supertall in NYC (ESB - the greatest piece of art deco ever to be built), so why can't brutalists get one too? Especially since they lost 2 of them
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