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Old May 11th, 2012, 06:54 PM   #1901
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Even though it might seem to blend in this picture, it'll be quite a desaster when experienced in its surroundings. The proportions are as wrong as they could be.

But the effect could be less harmful if they decided to do something interesting with the top. A flat roof is the worst thing they could do here.

A tasteful spire or real roof shape would make this tower so much better.
A setback-like roof would be the best fitting solution here, comparable to that of Art Deco masterpieces that everybody loves such as AIG Building, United Office Bldg Niagara, Piggot Building or the Empire State, only more simplistic.


This is how I'd like 432 Park to be done (you get the idea):


Original image credit: mattron/flickr - Edited by user sbarn and me


That's NYC style. Too bad the zoning law isn't valid in Manhattan anymore, it totally defined the place and made it the best skyline in the world, until all those modernists and their bland concrete/steel/glass boxes came to homogenize it to lame international standards, step by step.

MANHATTAN = SETBACKS!


In addition, you could have the world's most impressive rooftop terraces on those setbacks.
Now that my friend is a work of art
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Old May 11th, 2012, 08:43 PM   #1902
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Without some sort of setback it looks strange at least to me. As the diagrams that dino posted show, there is some room to the north and south to make a wider base that could become thinner later. Its too late for any of this anyway.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 08:58 PM   #1903
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Niice render!

Btw, where is this view from? I assume somewhere in central park correct? If yes, then where is ESB? I remember seeing ESB very easily from Harlem, so I am sure it is easily seen from the park..maybe a different angle, or more to the left away the frame?

Anyone know when they will start building this beaut'?
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Old May 11th, 2012, 09:31 PM   #1904
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Niice render!

Btw, where is this view from? I assume somewhere in central park correct? If yes, then where is ESB? I remember seeing ESB very easily from Harlem, so I am sure it is easily seen from the park..maybe a different angle, or more to the left away the frame?

Anyone know when they will start building this beaut'?
Pretty sure its antenna is to the left of verre.
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Old May 11th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #1905
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New York looks like Shenzhen with the spire on Park Avenue Tower..
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Old May 11th, 2012, 09:48 PM   #1906
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Pretty sure its antenna is to the left of verre.
Correct. This photo was taken from the roof of the Metropolitan Museum of Art. From this angle the ESB is mostly obscured by the mass of Midtown Manhattan.

Also, that alteration of 432 Park is killing me... the pseudo art deco roof is so at odds with the overall design of the building. Sorry.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 02:05 AM   #1907
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Setbacks on the roof looks like something that would come out of China. Just keep it a square and hope it doesn't get any worse.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 04:07 AM   #1908
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Even though it might seem to blend in this picture, it'll be quite a desaster when experienced in its surroundings. The proportions are as wrong as they could be.

But the effect could be less harmful if they decided to do something interesting with the top. A flat roof is the worst thing they could do here.

A tasteful spire or real roof shape would make this tower so much better.
A setback-like roof would be the best fitting solution here, comparable to that of Art Deco masterpieces that everybody loves such as AIG Building, United Office Bldg Niagara, Piggot Building or the Empire State, only more simplistic.


This is how I'd like 432 Park to be done (you get the idea):


Original image credit: mattron/flickr - Edited by user sbarn and me


That's NYC style. Too bad the zoning law isn't valid in Manhattan anymore, it totally defined the place and made it the best skyline in the world, until all those modernists and their bland concrete/steel/glass boxes came to homogenize it to lame international standards, step by step.

MANHATTAN = SETBACKS!


In addition, you could have the world's most impressive rooftop terraces on those setbacks.

Call me an Art Deco fanatic, but I think that rendering is amazing. I think (for its narrow size) 432 Park would just look so much better if it had just a simple tapering at the top, not even an antenna, but just a minor setback..But I am not going to bash it too much...I am a fan of any potential supertall that would truly break records, and 432 Park would certainly stand out in the city and indeed the nation it it is built to 1398 feet! And it would be unique in that it would be all-residential. I hope it gets built. The ESB & World Trade Center have been the only supertall games in town for too long, time for some new blood!
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Old May 12th, 2012, 04:15 AM   #1909
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@ThatOneGuy:
It could very well have any other sort of more simplistic setbacks, also without any spire.
It's just that I love the zoning law designs and the appearance of the classical Manhattan skyscraper with its setbacks, while something like this could put it to a whole new scale. Though it'd need a complete redesign then of course.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 04:24 AM   #1910
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It could very well have any other sort of more simplistic setbacks, also without any spire.
It's just that I love the zoning law designs and the appearance of the classical Manhattan skyscraper with its setbacks, while something like this could put it to a whole new scale. Though it'd need a complete redesign then of course.
What program did you use to design this photo ? I want to start making some future skyline pics for NYC and Chicago, so that would really help me out.
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Sorry for off topic, but I would love to know as well. If it's more appropriate please tell me via PM. Again, I'd love to know. Thanks in advance sbarn.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 04:58 AM   #1912
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You can do that with any halfway sophisticated graphic software (Photoshop being the most prominent), even free ones such as GIMP or Inkscape (for vectors).

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For 3D models, there's Sketchup.
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I'll give this tower a second chance to grow on me...
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Old May 12th, 2012, 09:04 AM   #1914
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You can do that with any halfway sophisticated graphic software (Photoshop being the most prominent), even free ones such as GIMP or Inkscape (for vectors).

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For 3D models, there's Sketchup.
Thanks, but how did Sbarn make the buildings he added ? I make games with Cryengine 3, but when it comes to photoshop, I am lost

also, I will get back on topic after someone answers this question.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #1915
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I't all comes to clone (copy) and paste bits of the image here and there. Very easy. Even I can do it although I'm not a graphic designer As mentioned you can easly produce easy effects even with free gimp.
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In that future render, 225 57th street looks exactly like Kingkey 100.
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Old May 12th, 2012, 07:24 PM   #1917
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I think we are very close to "under construction here".
If you look at the web cam the square shapes being formed to the left center could very well be the black rectangular footings shown in the drawing above. There also appears to be corresponding excavations in process to the right center as well. Their position seems to be about correct...It will be interesting to see what happens in those locations over the next two weeks.
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Open your eyes people, if they started with those footings as jconyc said, this one is moving to U/C section!
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I use Photoshop to generate these images. I think it's the best program for these purposes.

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In that future render, 225 57th street looks exactly like Kingkey 100.
Good catch, that's because it is! I'm a fan of that tower, and it seemed provide an appropriate sized massing.
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Open your eyes people, if they started with those footings as jconyc said, this one is moving to U/C section!
Yup...the more I look at the webcam those look like footings for the tower..maybe next week I can get a peek through the fence...if they are there should be a lot of re-bar going in.

Start the chant: U/C!...U/C!...U/C!...
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