United States should be worried with China becoming number two of the world in economy?

evany · August 19th, 2010, 03:25 PM

You as american think that U.S. is under pressure because of China rise to number two? Give your opinion about this important subject, thanks

Nordeaster · August 19th, 2010, 07:02 PM

I think we should be concerned that a nation with 4 times as many people as ours is NOT a larger economy than ours. Kind of gives you an idea of the scale of inequality in our world.

***desertpunk*** · August 19th, 2010, 10:34 PM

In as much as the US is a capitalist economy that competes on the global stage, we should always be worried about rival economies. But not worried about their size, we need to be looking at the things others are doing better than us and quickly ramp up our game. If we're striving for excellence in every field, whatever growth the others are having becomes immaterial.

ssiguy2 · August 20th, 2010, 06:17 PM

I don't think it's the economics per se that is the concern but rather the things that go with it. China's influence on world socio/economic will continue to increase.
The biggest problem is that the US owes a whopping amount of money to China so it's ability to question China's political and economic policies are greatly constrained lest the Chinese decide to turn off the money tap.

***desertpunk*** · August 20th, 2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ssiguy2

I don't think it's the economics per se that is the concern but rather the things that go with it. China's influence on world socio/economic will continue to increase.
The biggest problem is that the US owes a whopping amount of money to China so it's ability to question China's political and economic policies are greatly constrained lest the Chinese decide to turn off the money tap.

China only holds $800 billion in US debt. Not a gamechanger. And they've already scaled back their purchases of more, in favor of Euros. The joke's on them, Greece's disasterous austerity and potential depression is tanking the Euro hard. Never mix barbaric politics with money. Never.

evany · August 22nd, 2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by desertpunk

China only holds $800 billion in US debt. Not a gamechanger. And they've already scaled back their purchases of more, in favor of Euros. The joke's on them, Greece's disasterous austerity and potential depression is tanking the Euro hard. Never mix barbaric politics with money. Never.

dude U.S. own 800 Billion to China and you say only???only???

...when U.S. will pay? ups my bad...the people will pay...is alot money man...

***desertpunk*** · August 22nd, 2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by evany

dude U.S. own 800 Billion to China and you say only???only???

...when U.S. will pay? ups my bad...the people will pay...is alot money man...

When we've taken Brazil for everything they've got?

Time to put your troll threads to bed.

socrates#1fan · August 22nd, 2010, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by evany

dude U.S. own 800 Billion to China and you say only???only???

...when U.S. will pay? ups my bad...the people will pay...is alot money man...

Out of 13 trillion that isn't that important.

evany · August 22nd, 2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by socrates#1fan

Out of 13 trillion that isn't that important.

really then U.S. is not bad at all

Evan · August 23rd, 2010, 12:45 PM

pfft. $800 billion is pocket lint to us.

Karabuy · August 24th, 2010, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by desertpunk

When we've taken Brazil for everything they've got?

Evan · August 24th, 2010, 11:12 PM

Relax, dude. You are our new fuck buddy!

bayviews · August 27th, 2010, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by evany

You as american think that U.S. is under pressure because of China rise to number two? Give your opinion about this important subject, thanks

To be honest, most average Americans could care less about whose the biggest economy or most powerful nation.

Whose number #1 or number #2 etc, those are the concerns of the rulers & the elites.

Truth is, while the US has never been as dominant & powerful as it has been over the past couple few decades, the lives of the average American have become rather worse.

The average Russian today lives better than when the Soviet Union was a superpower.

Japan isn't what it was a couple of decades. But one would hardly know from all the Japanese students & tourists who now have the time to visit the US.

What is the size of the Swiss Army?

And yet, how many live better than the Swiss?

Dank City · August 27th, 2010, 08:48 PM

China is a joke. They're building a permanent underclass to supply the wealthy West with shit while doing little to make the country an attractive place to live.

The bottom line is the most desirable workers are mobile, and anyone who is wealthy and educated enough to pick where in the world they want to live will not be picking China.
We have the most of what everyone wants:
Nordstroms, hot women, Bloomingdales, private schools, museums, highways, frozen yogurt shops with the name "berry," Green buildings, professional athletics, Ethiopian restaurants, gay people, Saks, universities with big endowments and Nobel Laureates, Carl's JR, comedy/jazz clubs etc.

China has no more reason to become a more desirable and prosperous country than America than Detroit has reason to become as desirable (objectively) and prosperous as NYC. No offense to Detroit or China, to each their own, but it can be objectively and empirically proven that people do not prefer those places.

Did I mention China doesn't have Twitter? Also, as China becomes wealthier watch what happens to their social cohesion as they start seeing the kind of class struggle we've had since Emancipation and the crime that comes with those wealth disparities.

Avian001 · August 29th, 2010, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dank City

China is a joke. They're building a permanent underclass to supply the wealthy West with shit while doing little to make the country an attractive place to live.

The bottom line is the most desirable workers are mobile, and anyone who is wealthy and educated enough to pick where in the world they want to live will not be picking China.
We have the most of what everyone wants:
Nordstroms, hot women, Bloomingdales, private schools, museums, highways, frozen yogurt shops with the name "berry," Green buildings, professional athletics, Ethiopian restaurants, gay people, Saks, universities with big endowments and Nobel Laureates, Carl's JR, comedy/jazz clubs etc.

China has no more reason to become a more desirable and prosperous country than America than Detroit has reason to become as desirable (objectively) and prosperous as NYC. No offense to Detroit or China, to each their own, but it can be objectively and empirically proven that people do not prefer those places.

Did I mention China doesn't have Twitter? Also, as China becomes wealthier watch what happens to their social cohesion as they start seeing the kind of class struggle we've had since Emancipation and the crime that comes with those wealth disparities.

You are very funny. You pretend to be the "dumb American" very well!

Dank City · August 30th, 2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Avian001

You are very funny. You pretend to be the "dumb American" very well!

K thanks.

Manitopiaaa · August 31st, 2010, 04:07 AM

Am i the only one that sees millions of people rising from starvation into middle class as a good thing? Who cares if China grows economically. Hell, without China we'd have gone bankrupt in 2008. Thank you China for being a good friend. Please don't blow up our ships near Taiwan.

sweet-d · January 22nd, 2011, 09:00 AM

Yeah but we should also be worried about trillion dollar budget deficits and especially how under valued the Yuan is.

Scba · January 23rd, 2011, 04:39 PM

Personally, as long as they don't invade us, I don't care who's #1 or #2 or #3.

Remolino · January 23rd, 2011, 09:31 PM

Concerning the Brazil comments, it does seems some here have absolutely no idea of how Brazil works. Brazilians are the ones buying up US companies. And US companies, like GM, are manufacturing autos in Brazil instead of exporting them from the US to Brazil. Brazil tends to protect some of its industries. GM has been making a profit in Brazil.

Then we have Brazils plan to be weapons self-sufficient by 2025. France has been helping them. And Argentina and Brazil are co-operating on developing weapons.

See Video on Argentine-Brazilian VS-30 V07 missile test - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJDqrfYloI

This on a separate Argentine missile Grandicom engine test -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d81uhYzutE

When US got involved in Colombia, Brazil moved there 3rd. Army from the South of Brazil to the center. When US some years back had some troops in Paraguay, Brazil had war games near the border with Paraguay. Brazil and US might have good relations but it seems Brazil does not 100% trust the US. Unfortunately, the problem is that US history in Latin America has been far from perfect.

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*desertpunk* Whiskey Tango Foxtrot Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ELP ~ ABQ Posts: 30,114 Likes (Received): 1825	In as much as the US is a capitalist economy that competes on the global stage, we should always be worried about rival economies. But not worried about their size, we need to be looking at the things others are doing better than us and quickly ramp up our game. If we're striving for excellence in every field, whatever growth the others are having becomes immaterial. __________________ We are floating in space...

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ssiguy2 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: White Rock BC Posts: 4,984 Likes (Received): 44	I don't think it's the economics per se that is the concern but rather the things that go with it. China's influence on world socio/economic will continue to increase. The biggest problem is that the US owes a whopping amount of money to China so it's ability to question China's political and economic policies are greatly constrained lest the Chinese decide to turn off the money tap.

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Dank City D.C. Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 235 Likes (Received): 0	China is a joke. They're building a permanent underclass to supply the wealthy West with shit while doing little to make the country an attractive place to live. The bottom line is the most desirable workers are mobile, and anyone who is wealthy and educated enough to pick where in the world they want to live will not be picking China. We have the most of what everyone wants: Nordstroms, hot women, Bloomingdales, private schools, museums, highways, frozen yogurt shops with the name "berry," Green buildings, professional athletics, Ethiopian restaurants, gay people, Saks, universities with big endowments and Nobel Laureates, Carl's JR, comedy/jazz clubs etc. China has no more reason to become a more desirable and prosperous country than America than Detroit has reason to become as desirable (objectively) and prosperous as NYC. No offense to Detroit or China, to each their own, but it can be objectively and empirically proven that people do not prefer those places. Did I mention China doesn't have Twitter? Also, as China becomes wealthier watch what happens to their social cohesion as they start seeing the kind of class struggle we've had since Emancipation and the crime that comes with those wealth disparities.

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Manitopiaaa Illuminati Leader Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Madrid, Spain - Panama City, Panama - Tulsa, OK, United States of America Posts: 1,804 Likes (Received): 455	Am i the only one that sees millions of people rising from starvation into middle class as a good thing? Who cares if China grows economically. Hell, without China we'd have gone bankrupt in 2008. Thank you China for being a good friend. Please don't blow up our ships near Taiwan.

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sweet-d Registered User Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Wolfwood Posts: 1,414 Likes (Received): 16	Yeah but we should also be worried about trillion dollar budget deficits and especially how under valued the Yuan is.

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Scba Registered User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: US Posts: 1,408 Likes (Received): 96	Personally, as long as they don't invade us, I don't care who's #1 or #2 or #3.

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Remolino Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 440 Likes (Received): 0	Concerning the Brazil comments, it does seems some here have absolutely no idea of how Brazil works. Brazilians are the ones buying up US companies. And US companies, like GM, are manufacturing autos in Brazil instead of exporting them from the US to Brazil. Brazil tends to protect some of its industries. GM has been making a profit in Brazil. Then we have Brazils plan to be weapons self-sufficient by 2025. France has been helping them. And Argentina and Brazil are co-operating on developing weapons. See Video on Argentine-Brazilian VS-30 V07 missile test - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLJDqrfYloI This on a separate Argentine missile Grandicom engine test - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-d81uhYzutE When US got involved in Colombia, Brazil moved there 3rd. Army from the South of Brazil to the center. When US some years back had some troops in Paraguay, Brazil had war games near the border with Paraguay. Brazil and US might have good relations but it seems Brazil does not 100% trust the US. Unfortunately, the problem is that US history in Latin America has been far from perfect.