United States should be worried with China becoming number two of the world in economy?

[Brumtonian]

Originally Posted by Restless

That is a pretty superficial overlay on top of the core cultural values...

You could say the same of Chinese food which is available in every village in the US (and the UK for that matter). LOL

Yes you are right I do like a nice chicken chow mein every now and then, to be honest though all this doesn't matter as long as it doesn't lead to war. All the wonderful cities like Shanghai beijing nyc Los angeles all gone..

[isaidso]

No country stays #1 forever. China will become the most powerful nation in the world, it's just a matter of time. You could always move to China if that sort of thing is a priority.

[Brumtonian]

Originally Posted by isaidso

No country stays #1 forever. China will become the most powerful nation in the world, it's just a matter of time. You could always move to China if that sort of thing is a priority.

Hmm I think something will happen to the Chinese economy at some point in the next 20 years they can't sustain growth at current levels year on year, besides the US has a more dynamic economy than China's and a greater cultural, globalised reach. I'm not bashing China but gdp isn't everything.

[wingit]

Originally Posted by Brumtonian

Hmm I think something will happen to the Chinese economy at some point in the next 20 years they can't sustain growth at current levels year on year, besides the US has a more dynamic economy than China's and a greater cultural, globalised reach. I'm not bashing China but gdp isn't everything.

i am chinese,i agree with you.gdp means nothing but a little achievement.China has a long way to go.

[CNB30]

Maybe If we looked a bit harder at what we buy and tried to support local and national industries more, this Thread or problem might not exist. Ironically my computer (made in china) would be totally different, and might last longer, for that matter.

One of the main reasons they (China) has been able to grow like this (and come close to overtaking us as a world power) is because monopolized industries Such as computers (Apple) or retail (Walmart) make everything in China. If people were to care (sadly many don't) they would support their main streets, and buy locally made items, realizing that there would be extra benefits to buying these products. Examples including a stronger local economy, more well crafted and better lasting products, and on a very local scale when you know the person who actually makes the product, the ability to trust that they will be responsible with their business. With knowing supplier, they will be more likely to see you as a person, whose needs they are supplying, than extra pocket money.
In the end, I think the economy needs to be more localized, and benefit people rather than large corporations, who will dump there money anywhere they choose.

[Arvor]

South China Sea dispute: China summons US diplomat

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/05/wo...tml?hpt=ias_c2

Well with China starting to push and lecture the US around not just on news websites and diplomatic speak but even actual US navy vessels being harassed, i think it's high time the US does get worried or a near century of US dominance in the Pacific will come to an abrupt end and the next thing you know the Chinese will be claiming Hawaii and California as part of it's historical territory even if the basis is some flimsy book about how they discovered N.America first .

Fortunetely all it would take to snap China out of it's looming delusions of grandeur is for the US and EU to simply tell or even simply threaten to have their maritime insurance companies to stop insuring any ship or container & goods heading for or leaving China, whitin a relatively short period of time Beijing will either have to get real and be reasonable or risk millions of unemployed, food and fuel starved masses marching to regime change the country ... .

Of course it is equally fortunate that it has not yet come to this .

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by Brumtonian

Hmm I think something will happen to the Chinese economy at some point in the next 20 years they can't sustain growth at current levels year on year, besides the US has a more dynamic economy than China's and a greater cultural, globalised reach. I'm not bashing China but gdp isn't everything.

Nothing's etched in stone, but we're talking about a country of 1.2 billion people. It will be very difficult for the United States economy to remain larger. India will likely bump the US to 3rd eventually.

Culture? I wouldn't count China out on that front either. Cultural influence usually follows economic clout rather than preceding it. 'Sino-fication' of the world will only start gathering steam a generation or two from now. I don't think it's anything to be worried about.

European culture dominated the world from about 500BC till roughly 1950 and we north Americans turned out fine.

[Arvor]

Chinese state media have hit out at US "trouble-making" on the South China Sea, two days after Beijing summoned a US diplomat on the issue.

One commentary told the US to "shut up" on the subject, while another said it had "deservedly evoked curses".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-19144740

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Culture? I wouldn't count China out on that front either. Cultural influence usually follows economic clout rather than preceding it. 'Sino-fication' of the world will only start gathering steam a generation or two from now. I don't think it's anything to be worried about.

There are many reasons why this is unlikely to happen and remember China's and India's economies used to be pretty huge centuries ago yet it were tiny European nations like Spain which ultimately managed to massively grow their cultural domination in the world .

Furthermore most of the global culture has already been set by the western world you can't reinvent fashion ( jeans/ suit n tie ), music ( classical or pop ) or the arts ( cinema to infrastructure ) while standards from weight's and measurements to time itself is now largely western, caligraphy too will never be able to compete with the simplicity of the alphabet and western languages which will remain the most geographically widely spoken native languages in the world wheter it's Spanish in the America's which is actually growing or even English retaining it's lead .

Furthermore China's economic rise and resulting foreign policy so far has resulted in antagonising it's entire neighbourhood from Vietnam to Japan even Russia is supicious with it and it's relations with the US isn't exactly the most cordial, further afield it's policies in Africa is causing quite a bit of resentment from local Africans themselves .

Furthermore if we take the logic of the largest economy setting the cultural scene then one must remember that India not China will have the worlds largest population in a few decades time as China's ages dramatically which will inevitably mean a larger Indian economy, so wouldn't Indian culture become more prevalent ? .

In any case i tend to agree with the comment that nothing is set in stone as ive mentioned China is likewise starting to feel the effects of a rapidly ageing population, in other words they will become grey and their population will begin to shrink well before they become wealthy so one really has to take a hard look to be able to determine it's future .

This is not to say that China's economy won't become larger than it is today but it is unlikely for many other reasons to become overpowering .

[bayviews]

Originally Posted by Arvor

Well with China starting to push and lecture the US around not just on news websites and diplomatic speak but even actual US navy vessels being harassed, i think it's high time the US does get worried or a near century of US dominance in the Pacific will come to an abrupt end and the next thing you know the Chinese will be claiming Hawaii and California as part of it's historical territory even if the basis is some flimsy book about how they discovered N.America first .

Fortunetely all it would take to snap China out of it's looming delusions of grandeur is for the US and EU to simply tell or even simply threaten to have their maritime insurance companies to stop insuring any ship or container & goods heading for or leaving China, whitin a relatively short period of time Beijing will either have to get real and be reasonable or risk millions of unemployed, food and fuel starved masses marching to regime change the country ... .

Of course it is equally fortunate that it has not yet come to this .

We're not worried about China claiming Hawaii & California!

However, China'd be well warned to stop trying to step on smaller countries like the Phillipines & Vietnam and claiming their seas.

China's economic lifeline is trans oceanic commerce.

[Arvor]

We're not worried about China claiming Hawaii & California!

Lol that was just for effect but seriously the way it acts in it's neighbourhood can be an indication of how it might eventually act further afield .

[1Filipe1]

worried about what? i dont understand how people could possibly say china will be number one, there economy is based on construction and exporting, there manufacturing sector is right on the edge of starting to contract, they keep constructing cities and skyscrapers and roads because that gives people jobs, and causes debt, and they just keep doing that to sustain growth. Their growth is slowing, its still high dont get me wrong, but at 7.4% is nothing compared to 10, 12%, and if you have people who work in sweat shops for 50 cents an hour of course things will be made cheaper, obviously companys didn't go their for quality, and we all know that, chinese made is crap. by 2015 the average wage in china is going to be at the near 5 dollar mark, add that with shipping costs to the usa, and companys will actually be loosing more money then if they had kept the jobs over here, which is another reason for the "reshoring, insourcing" jobs back to the usa. Does anyone remember Japan in the 70s and 80s? they built cheap things like china did, and everyone was like oh yea they will surpass us blah blah, what happened? Their bubble burst, but look where they are now there preety good right now, so im not saying china will become you know 3rd world nation but certainly not number 1, and if they claim that title, it wont be long before that title comes out.

[nyarch21]

Even with a military growth china still doesn't have the capability. They barely have a navy. Everything being said is a joke. You can't do anything now days unless you have the best military.

[CNB30]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Nothing's etched in stone, but we're talking about a country of 1.2 billion people. It will be very difficult for the United States economy to remain larger. India will likely bump the US to 3rd eventually.

Culture? I wouldn't count China out on that front either. Cultural influence usually follows economic clout rather than preceding it. 'Sino-fication' of the world will only start gathering steam a generation or two from now. I don't think it's anything to be worried about.

European culture dominated the world from about 500BC till roughly 1950 and we north Americans turned out fine.

I would say that thankfully, Europe is still mostly in cultural control of many aspects such as architecture, and music.

[oliver999]

you should really worry about china when china become a real democracy country. corrupt communists can't challenge US.

[nyarch21]

That won't happen in my lifetime. There's barely even a push for it there.

[GunnerJacket]

Anyone else thinking China will experience their own real estate bust in the near future?

Also, I seem to recall them touting the deployment of their first aircraft carrier, which was a refab of an older carrier from elsewhere. If that was truly the case then I think that says everything we need to know.

[nyarch21]

It's ww2 Russian aircraft carrier
Even the Chinese aren't naive enough to think they could compare that to modern us Nimitz class carriers.

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[blakeaustin]

I don't get it? You just confused me so good. o.o