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Old November 27th, 2015, 03:13 PM   #4361
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Look up google map, you would see there is still space to expand, but anyway I don't get why they had to locate LCCT there in the first place, among the cargo hub. Perhaps the government never thought it would be a runaway success. Another short-sighted decision.

Anyway, the way I see it. MAHB would be too malu if the proposed AA terminal were to work successfully. That's why they had to wade in to build this fiasco. This is how our country works. Decisions are often done due to "kiasu-ness", and thereby creating sub-quality results.

Also, how can you challenge something if it's already a "monopoly". That is such an oxymoron.
Because they had space there before? The LCCT was built on the cargo terminal expansion site and the terminal could be built really fast without incurring more expenses on infrastructure like taxiways, runways or towers. I think it was a brilliant idea for a "temporary" terminal but making somethings permanent might not be so brilliant. If i add another terminal for 50 mil person at the current LCC sites, the runways cant keep up. If u add just another runways besides the existing runways then both runways can't be use at the same times. Thats why changi, klia, hkia put terminals in between the 3 runways.

What make u think that AA terminal is a runways success, they don't has any expertise in building an airport. Its not like u suddenly can decide to be a palm oil farmers without any expertise in that area and suddenly hope for sime darby level yield? that just plain unrealistic, even apple with their billions of cash can't write proper software nor the clouds. Expertise is somethings u gain not somethings that magically happened.

Actually killing a monopoly is kinda easy because most monopolies aren't effective thus killing them is easy. But the facts that u can't kill MAHB means they are effective. They may hold a monopoly in malaysia but its not like malaysia is a closed economy, mahb do compete with thai and Singapore which itself are a "monopoly " in their own countries. Killing a real monopoly is easy, just look at how apple and android slaughtered Microsoft.

Really u should just stop it. People lied, deal with it. fat bangla also lied and they lied to get a bargaining chip. U know when the US government try to legislate the definition of broadband all ISP threatened to stop building more infrastructure. But the legislation still pass and the ISP are still investing. So do learn to differentiate the truth and a bluff. The fact that airasia is not having airports building expertise is one, the others is as they relied on debt to grow why would they be indebted for not so profitable terminal rather than making new debts for new planes that can has better yield? Remember debts like everything else has a scarcity. U can't just ask for more debt indefinitely.
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Old December 1st, 2015, 08:11 PM   #4362
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What make u think that AA terminal is a runways success, they don't has any expertise in building an airport. Its not like u suddenly can decide to be a palm oil farmers without any expertise in that area and suddenly hope for sime darby level yield? that just plain unrealistic, even apple with their billions of cash can't write proper software nor the clouds. Expertise is somethings u gain not somethings that magically happened.
Well, I never said AA terminal is a runaway success, I said LCCT was a runaway success, please read again.

Pass the responsibility to a private company and get less criticism from the public, that's what MAHB should have done. They should stop micromanaging everything, especially when the chances of some of their projects failing or being substandard are pretty high. Just take a look at the Penang International Airport. A partnership with the state government and qualified private entity would've yielded a much better and functional (no flooding) airport.

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Actually killing a monopoly is kinda easy because most monopolies aren't effective thus killing them is easy. But the facts that u can't kill MAHB means they are effective. They may hold a monopoly in malaysia but its not like malaysia is a closed economy, mahb do compete with thai and Singapore which itself are a "monopoly " in their own countries. Killing a real monopoly is easy, just look at how apple and android slaughtered Microsoft.
Killing a Monopoly is not easy if it is something propped up by the government. Again we are talking about Malaysia, so please stop bringing cases from other countries, which have a much better level playing field than what we have here. If you insist on bringing in examples from abroad, then look at Korea (Samsung/Hyundai).


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Really u should just stop it. People lied, deal with it. fat bangla also lied and they lied to get a bargaining chip. U know when the US government try to legislate the definition of broadband all ISP threatened to stop building more infrastructure. But the legislation still pass and the ISP are still investing. So do learn to differentiate the truth and a bluff. The fact that airasia is not having airports building expertise is one, the others is as they relied on debt to grow why would they be indebted for not so profitable terminal rather than making new debts for new planes that can has better yield? Remember debts like everything else has a scarcity. U can't just ask for more debt indefinitely.
Don't be such a racist and use derogatory terms to describe the AA CEO. And how did he lie? You mean he actually lied about wanting to build the low cost terminal?

AA doesn't have the expertise in building an airport terminal you said? Well, when he first started, Tony also didn't have the expertise to run an airline, and he made it so big. What do you say to that? Hiring experts can bring the highest quality in business expansions. As for MAHB and its cronies, I highly doubt that.



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GEORGE TOWN, Dec 1 — Putrajaya must immediately approve the expansion of the Penang International Airport as it is reaching its maximum capacity of 6.5 million passengers, Chief Minister Lim Guan Eng said today.

The Bagan MP said the terminal needs to be upgraded to avoid overcrowding, which he said would hurt the airport’s image.

“The airport is now crowded like a ‘pasar malam’,” Lim said in a statement released today in response to a written parliamentary reply by Transport Minister Datuk Seri Liow Tiong Lai that plans to build a four-star hotel or any commercial complex at the airport was cancelled.

“Now, only the carpark lots will be expanded and we hope their promise to build a multi-level car park to increase the parking capacity to 3,000 lots will not remain as empty promises like Putrajaya’s previous empty promises,” he said.

The Penang chief minister then accused Putrajaya of continuously sidelining Penang in recent years, including the federal government’s reluctance to approve an expansion project for the airport and now, the rejection of the state government’s application for a RM805 million flood mitigation project.

He reminded Putrajaya that Penang is still a part of Malaysia and should not be sidelined and neglected because it is governed by political rivals.

“This is very unfair even though Penang pays RM6.3 billion in taxes and custom duties every year and we are only getting a two per cent return only,” he said.

In his written reply, Liow said that Penang International Airport is capable of handling 6.6 million passengers annually and it recorded 6 million passengers in 2014.

He said the Economic Planning Unit is currently studying the possible development of international airports in the north of the peninsula, which is expected to be completed in six months.

Penang has been asking for the airport to be expanded to be able to meet with increasing number of passengers using the airport for domestic and international travel instead of the proposal by Kedah for Putrajaya to build an international airport in Kulim.

- See more at: http://www.themalaymailonline.com/ma....1zZYQXRf.dpuf

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Old December 3rd, 2015, 11:28 PM   #4363
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[QUOTE=Vince;129000510]Well, I never said AA terminal is a runaway success, I said LCCT was a runaway success, please read again.

Pass the responsibility to a private company and get less criticism from the public, that's what MAHB should have done. They should stop micromanaging everything, especially when the chances of some of their projects failing or being substandard are pretty high. Just take a look at the Penang International Airport. A partnership with the state government and qualified private entity would've yielded a much better and functional (no flooding) airport.


MAHB is a private companies u know. U could even bought their share if you want :p. And if the LCCT which is also built and managed by MAHB is a runways success why need to criticize KLIA2 and asking for partners or helps when they as you claimed already knows how to run it to your imaginary standards?

Also how confidence are you that penang with lack of capital nor knowledge in airport management can suddenly make it better? Last time I checked they are even losing the FDI,GDP,wages wars. Shouldn't that be their priority rather than playing with planes? Also senai airport are doing worse that Equivalent MAHB runs airports. They aren't even in the red for so longs.





Killing a Monopoly is not easy if it is something propped up by the government. Again we are talking about Malaysia, so please stop bringing cases from other countries, which have a much better level playing field than what we have here. If you insist on bringing in examples from abroad, then look at Korea (Samsung/Hyundai).


Changi airport service and Thai airport are also a Monopoly in their respective country. But you can't really called them a Monopoly since they compete globally.





Don't be such a racist and use derogatory terms to describe the AA CEO. And how did he lie? You mean he actually lied about wanting to build the low cost terminal?


Since other forumers had used the terms before even using it directly in reply to you and you had never make an issue of it. Why make a fuss now? U can't be Ok before than suddenly won't now? That hypocrisy bro. Don't do that.

Of course he likely lied. U never being lied before? Remember Santa,satay kajang,6 boxes of mahathir corruption evidence, how do you get an upper hand in a poker games? That my friend is called a lie. People do that though most of the time. Better get use to it. Would be better if u could call out their bluff though.



AA doesn't have the expertise in building an airport terminal you said? Well, when he first started, Tony also didn't have the expertise to run an airline, and he made it so big. What do you say to that? Hiring experts can bring the highest quality in business expansions. As for MAHB and its cronies, I highly doubt that.

Unless u forgotten atresia in itself are a GLC. What make atresia differ from other GLC? Also the atresia model is something he "tiru" as the concept are quite old but aren't introduced in Asia. So he take advantage of it. In KLIA2 situation whose model do you want to "tiru"? Which expert do you want to hired with experience in mega LCC terminal? The answer is none. This is literally the first of it kinds. What expert too bring I'm when your biggest tenant atresia aren't a good rent payers. Want to call some loansharks to get back the debt from atresia is it?

The target market are also difference, you don't built a suria klcc when ur target market are price sensitive. U should totally go built a tesco. And that what KLIA2 is. The tesco of airports

Like tesco, The bissness models are completely different too. Most airport are like iPhone where you are the customer, you foot the bills and you pay through your noses for it. KLIA2 is like Android. U aren't the customer. U are the product that they sold to their real customers aka the retailers.


Sorry for not quoting and typo. Doing this on an iPhone is really damn hard. ��
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Old December 8th, 2015, 11:42 PM   #4364
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Old December 12th, 2015, 02:33 AM   #4365
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Aerial view of the terminal building taken yesterday. Anyone know what is under construction next to it?
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AirAsia's HQ building ???
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The Proposed Development of Air Asia Headquarters located in KLIA.
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Sustainability design was a key factor in AirAsia’s new corporate headquarters. The new development will consist of six stories, comprising about 22,000 square meters of programmed work areas with another 10,000 square meters of ancillary general offices. Drawing on AECOM’s experience in the region and internationally, we were appointed as mechanical and electrical, sustainability and fire engineers for AirAsia’s new corporate headquarters at the new Kuala Lumpur International Airport. The innovative design offering to the client utilizes high building thermal mass in the form of exposed concrete soffits and high efficient façade, combined to reduce the base cooling requirements.

This environmental cooling treatment utilizes passive treatment in the form of exposed active chilled beams which also incorporate lighting. The innovative design solution will be one of the first of this scale and type in Malaysia, providing AirAsia with a low running sustainable building, whilst providing flexibility as their operations grow.

The exemplar state-of-the art development will house more than 1,000 of AirAsia’s administrative employees from all 24 operating departments, with an additional 1,500 employees passing through it every day.



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Best Low-Cost Airline Terminals
1 Kansai KIX
2 London Stansted STN
3 Brussels Charleroi CRL
4 Berlin Schönefeld SXF
5 Kuala Lumpur LCCT KUL
6 Luton LTN
7 Frankfurt-Hahn HHN
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9 Milan Bergamo BGY
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Now KLIA2 is in the Top10 and yet Premium Terminal KLIA is slipping away.
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Recently they've added a few more walkalators, so it's a good move. But really, the sheer distance itself can be very very painful to walk. Especially if you're from gates P19, P21 and Q19, Q21. Now imagine us cabin crew walking from all the way back after a long 4h 30m flight from Chongqing.

If MAHB didn't want any aerotrain/aerobus between the main terminal and the satellite building, why didn't just they do away with the satellite building and have a star-like finger pier configuration like Beijing's future Daxing Airport here?



I gotta feeling that the skybridge is just for bragging rights and nothing else, doesn't solve the problem of long distances over the airport at all.
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Anyone of ya think that KLIA2 could support another 2 island piers with its current configuration intact?

ILM wouldn't like my idea cause it would've involved more walking haha......but then again they could do something like HKIA's people's mover to go directly from the MTB to the island piers.

I am just pondering how would they expand the LCC terminal without using half of the proposed Terminal 3 for LCC. Later I scared bacome rojak haha
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Hahaha......to those without clue what my idea is about.....I've done some editing to one of the pic above to crudely show my idea:





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Hahaha - me think you'll need an F1 car to get from the main building to the furthest boarding gates in 'time' with the above design lor ???
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Well...they could have a people's mover that cover the spine of that thing haha......just like how they did in HKIA. In fact my 'proposed' spine is just as long as the one for HKIA.

Even at DBX (Dubai Intl), to transit and change terminals by walking also very very far ......imagine walking from one end of Concourse B to Concorce C.....same thing with all big airports hehe
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