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Old May 21st, 2013, 07:52 AM   #121
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Mpls. Considers Streetcars for Nicollet Central Corridor

Sort of late news but I thought it might be worth mentioning. Nothing significant has occurred lately but to know that city is working on it makes you wanna take a look at it. Different financing option are being considered but nothing concrete so far. I hope this really happens.


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Public transit could transform along the Nicollet Central Corridor in Minneapolis.

That's the busy corridor that runs from Nicollet Avenue in south Minneapolis through Nicollet Mall
Link:http://kstp.com/news/stories/s2928568.shtml
http://www.minneapolismn.gov/nicollet-central/

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Old June 5th, 2013, 03:26 PM   #122
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Bringing streetcars to Minneapolis: Some perplexing twists and turns

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By Marlys Harris | 06/04/13



Streetcar service in Minneapolis ended about 60 years ago — except for the tourist trolley running between Lake Harriet and Lake Calhoun. But in a what's-old-is-new-again twist, the city is looking to bring them back.

Already, there have been studies and more studies — in 2007, in 2010 and another going on right now, not just of streetcars
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The whole arrangement sounds woefully complex, but it's a done deal now. Anyway, as with all things transit-related, there's never an end to complexity. Another looming question is: Who will pay for operating and maintaining the line?
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Old June 22nd, 2013, 10:17 PM   #123
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Twin Cities' first bus rapid transit to open Saturday on Cedar Avenue

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Article by: LAURIE BLAKE , Star Tribune Updated: June 21, 2013 - 11:15 AM

Officials will be watching the $112 million project closely to see if it attracts riders, with hopes of expanding it to other parts of the metro area.


It is touted as light rail on rubber tires, a bus service with all the perks of rail — fast, predictable and easy to board, with nice stations and fewer stops — at a fraction of the price.

But as Minnesota’s first line of bus rapid transit (BRT) begins service Saturday on Cedar Avenue S. between Apple Valley and the Mall of America, officials will be watching the $112 million project closely to see if it attracts riders, with hopes of expanding it to other parts of the metro area.
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Old June 23rd, 2013, 09:50 PM   #124
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Red Line BRT

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Old June 24th, 2013, 09:59 PM   #125
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That's stupid - it doesn't even go downtown
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Old June 24th, 2013, 10:37 PM   #126
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You're exactly right, Woonsocket. The Red Line carries passengers to the edge of wilderness and dumps them out in the savage wilds of Bloomington, where they must trek a whole ten feet to transfer to the Blue Line! Isn't mass transit just the worst?
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Old June 24th, 2013, 10:46 PM   #127
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No need to be a jerk about it.

It looks like continuing on the freeway to downtown would take another 20 minutes; transferring to LRT adds a good 35 minutes.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 12:38 AM   #128
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It would be smarter to run the lines into downtown, as future ones are expected to. Though in urban arterial BRT and streetcars are much more exciting for me than suburban BRT. It's good to see mass transit growth wherever its happening, but I'd rather see modes that discourage sprawl rather than encourage it.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 01:31 AM   #129
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That's stupid - it doesn't even go downtown
Yeah these are the same transit planners that think trains bypassing dense urban cores like Uptown and North Minneapolis will serve public better.
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Old June 25th, 2013, 08:30 AM   #130
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Hopefully, in the future it gets extended to downtown along with the planned Orange line:

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Old June 27th, 2013, 05:50 AM   #131
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I'll be interested to learn whether ridership meets expectations.
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Old June 27th, 2013, 10:51 AM   #132
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From the Star Tribune:

Mpls. council green lights streetcar tax plan
Posted by: Eric Roper Updated: June 26, 2013 - 3:26 PM

The City Council on Tuesday approved a plan that would redirect about $60 million in property taxes to a streetcar running through the heart of the city.

The first phase of the streetcar line, a 3.2-mile stretch from the K-Mart on Lake Street to Kramarczuk's on Hennepin Avenue, is expected to cost upwards of $200 million.

The city would fund its portion of the cost by tapping taxes generated by several major apartment projects already underway in and around downtown.

Where the rest of the money comes from remains to be seen. The city says it needs regional or federal dollars to make up the gap.

http://www.startribune.com/local/blo...2&numToShow=50
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Old June 30th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #133
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These future plans they have are all well and good but it really doesn't mean anything if they don't expand the transit tax to provide more permanent funding. That's something they should've done this year
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Old July 1st, 2013, 12:40 AM   #134
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Do you guys think mass transit in MSP will be good within the next 10-20 years?
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Old July 5th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #135
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Do you guys think mass transit in MSP will be good within the next 10-20 years?
Depends on your definition of "good". Relative to most mid sized american cities yes, compared to cities with proper metros and full streetcar sytems probably not. The bus system is pretty effective and the light rail lines so far have been quite effective and well thought out. The commuter rail attempts have been really underwhelming, though BRT may serve those suburban areas more effectively.

In 20 years I would guess we have the full build out of the Green and Blue lines with possibly one more LRT line, at least 3 streetcar lines as well as substantial suburban and urban Arterial BRT routes. Additionally we are likely to see further growth of suburban park n ride operations. With the abysmal failure that Northstar has been so far there is no impetus at moment for more commuter rail investment, but there could be some lines that make sense down the road. Ideally I think 7-8 streetcar lines, 11-12 Arterial BRT routes and possibly 1-2 additional LRT lines. Until in suburban transit gets better/development gets denser at the outer edges I question the effectiveness of commuter rail service in the twin cities.
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Old July 16th, 2013, 02:40 AM   #136
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Green Line

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Old July 16th, 2013, 07:42 AM   #137
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Minneapolis Street Cars

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Met Council to Rybak and Coleman: Talk to us, donít compete with us, on streetcar fundingÖ and do it now!

Judging by the unanimous vote of support from the city council last month, Minneapolis officials are excited about a possible new $200 million streetcar line that would run from Lake Street and Nicollet Avenue near downtown to Northeast Minneapolis, a kind of feeder to the Hiawatha Light Rail. St. Paul isnít as far along in its planning, but city officials here too are talking about streetcars in upbeat, hopeful terms.

One group is feeling left out, and thatís the Metropolitan Council.

In a two-page letter last Friday to Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, Met Council Chair Sue Haigh reminded Rybak (and St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman too, who was CCíd on it) that there are limited sources of funding out there for new public transit construction, and it wouldnít be prudent to have Minneapolis compete with the Met Councilís own initiatives for money.
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Mayor R.T. Rybak
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Dear Mayor Rybak,

The City of Minneapolis is in the process of breaking new ground for the regionís transit system through its study of streetcar alternatives, in particular through the Nicollet-Central Transit Alternative Study. The City has also taken the remarkable step of developing and seeking legislative authorization for a value capture funding source to help fund this project. Given the Cityís active pursuit of a first-of-its kind modern streetcar project, I thought it would be helpful and prudent to outline the Metropolitan Councilís perspective on future development of this transit mode and regional investment.

The Councilís current Transportation Policy Plan (TPP) is nearly silent on streetcars as a mode of transit in the region, except for a reference to Council-local government collaboration to determine when and where a streetcar project might be appropriate. The TPP also states that projects that show a positive, significant, and cost-effective transportation benefit might be funded with local, regional and federal transportation funds but a project pursued primarily for development outcomes should be funded locally and should not compete with other priorities for federal and state transportation funds. With numerous transit corridors identified for future investment, the demand for transit capital and operating funding greatly exceeds current funding.

Both transportation and economic development serve an important role in helping the region grow in an efficient, connected manner and provide justification for investment. I understand that project justification for the Nicollet-Central streetcar is still under discussion by technical staff and policymakers as part of the Nicollet-Central Transit Alternatives Study. It will be important for the project justification to be well developed and vetted prior to it coming forward to the Council for consideration.

Work is just now beginning on the next regional TPP. We hope that the City of Minneapolis will play an active role in the development of the plan, allowing us to have a more robust regional discussion about the potential for developing streetcars as a transit option.

Because your project is proceeding more quickly than the next TPP, I feel it is important to proactively establish lines of communication and provide guidance on this project.

 Collaboration: Critical to the success of any project of this magnitude is collaboration between the
Council and local units of government. In particular, if this project someday comes to fruition, we view it as critical that it be integrated into the existing transit system, regardless of how it is funded or which agency leads the implementation. It is necessary to include potential funding partners and other stakeholders (Hennepin County, MnDOT, Counties Transit Improvement Board) in this collaborative effort. It is also important for the City to understand that streetcars merit a regional discussion that results in a regional policy. As you are aware, the City of St. Paul is also actively studying a modern streetcar system and potentially looking to the region for policy guidance.

Funding: As our TPP states, funding for a project like this may be different depending on whether the
projectís primary function is additional transportation benefits or development outcomes. At this point,
both scenarios lack a clear funding strategy, such as those that have been used for light rail projects. The Council anticipates that with any Locally Preferred Alternative forwarded for Council consideration, the City will also provide a funding plan that addresses both capital and operating costs and is consistent with the projectís primary function. The Council, the Counties Transit Improvement Board and the City should all be at the table when this funding plan is developed. The City should understand that if a streetcar does not provide a significant transportation benefit, the Council may not be able to prioritize the regionís limited transit funding for a project without a significant local contribution to both capital and operating costs. The Council also appreciates the Cityís efforts to support additional funding for transit that may expand the flexibility to include streetcar.

 Memorandum of Understanding (MOU): If the Council formally takes a position favorable to streetcars
at some future point, the Council and the City of Minneapolis should seek to enter into a formal
memorandum of understanding regarding the funding, design, construction, operation and maintenance
of the proposed streetcar line. While it is ideal for the Council to formally take a position on streetcar as a transit mode and on the prioritization of the many competing regional projects prior to entering into such a memorandum, we recognize that we may need to be flexible and utilize short term, limited scope
memorandums between the time a Locally Preferred Alternative is adopted and the time the Council
takes a formal position on street cars.

As you move through the Nicollet-Central Study and seek to recommend a Locally Preferred Alternative, I
encourage the City to remain in regular contact with the Council.

Cole Hiniker ([email protected] or 651-602-1748) will function as your primary staff liaison.
This is an exciting possibility for our region and while there are many unresolved elements, the Council welcomes Minneapolis as an active partner in the effort to expand transit options in the metro region.

Warmest regards,

Susan Haigh

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Mayor Chris Coleman, City of Saint Paul
Commissioner Peter McLaughlin, Hennepin County
Commissioner Charlie Zelle, Minnesota Department of Transportation
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Old August 13th, 2013, 06:41 AM   #139
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Some picture updates (couple of weeks old) on Green Line (Central Corridor) currently under construction. The train is running on its own power. Can't tell what kind of test they are doing but nice to see some progress. I am surprised to see that they are using Bombardier LRVs as opposed to Seimen LRV which are designated to serve the line. The testing is being done around UofM area

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Old August 17th, 2013, 07:47 AM   #140
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Regarding Southwest LRT (Green Line Extension)
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Highway battles of past can offer Southwest LRT solution
By Marlys Harris | 08/13/13


I-94 between Pascal and downtown St. Paul, looking east, August 1967.
Courtesy of the Minnesota Historical Society

Seeing an orchestra perform (as we used to do here in the Twin Cities) gives you hope for humanity. If a hundred or so people can get together to play instruments as various as flutes and trombones without lawsuits or recriminations, then maybe we do have a future.

Contemplating transportation planning is another story. So many actors -- public officials from myriad jurisdictions, business groups, citizens and experts -- with agendas that are poles apart can stall a project out or transform it into a misbegotten mess.
http://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/20...t-lrt-solution

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