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Old December 10th, 2013, 04:26 AM   #161
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Streetcars endorsed for Minneapolis' Central-Nicollet transit line

This is from while back that the city council approved Central-Nicollet streetcar.

From MinnPost.
http://www.minnpost.com/politics-pol...t-transit-line

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Streetcars for the first phase of the proposed 9.2-mile Central-Nicollet transit line won the endorsement Tuesday of a Minneapolis City Council committee.

The Transportation and Public Works Committee unanimously chose to approve the starter line for the $393 million streetcar project [PDF] over the much-cheaper alternative — enhanced bus service, which would cost about $94 million.

During the public hearing, mayoral candidate Cam Winton, a vocal opponent of streetcars, pushed for enhanced bus service.
Rendering of what it could look like


And the map of the route

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Old December 13th, 2013, 01:45 AM   #162
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Here is a time lapse video of entire length of Green Line by Cynick on Vimeo. Its pretty cool and a glimpse of what it could look like come summer when the line officially opens.

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Old December 13th, 2013, 08:06 AM   #164
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Nice video. The urban landscape looks somewhat auto-centric if you ask me. At least the new Green line might spur up TOD in the future.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #165
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Agree, most of the time you see along the route just 1- or 2-stories buildings.
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Old December 13th, 2013, 10:00 PM   #166
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Nicollet Mall Station in downtown Minneapolis

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Old December 14th, 2013, 04:06 PM   #167
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Old December 14th, 2013, 10:01 PM   #168
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Agree, most of the time you see along the route just 1- or 2-stories buildings.
But the good part is that there are lots of retail business along the corridor which is only going to get better. Here is a presentation by Urban Strategies
few years back when the city of SP hired them to do a study of the corridor and build a masterplan. It encourages lots of high density housing and business. I don't think were going to see skyscrapers along this route except for the two downtowns but I bet we will see some midrises along the way in few years.


http://stpaul.granicus.com/MediaPlay...?publish_id=65
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Old January 11th, 2014, 05:10 AM   #169
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Green Line 98 percent done

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Even though the Twin Cities second light rail transit line isn't scheduled to open until next year, test trains have already been doing practice runs into downtown St. Paul. Workers are running the Green Line trains in part to make sure they're adequately powered.
At the beginning of next year, an operations and maintenance facility in the Lowertown district will start welcoming the first of about 100 new workers....


....The official opening date will be announced Jan. 22nd.
http://www.mprnews.org/story/2013/12/25/lrt-almost-done

Cant wait for Jan 22nd to come.
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Old January 20th, 2014, 01:28 AM   #170
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Smooth road so far for Bottineau Rail Line north and west of downtown


Finally some news on this project. Actually this one might roll before Southwest( Green Line extension)


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The earnest money’s in for the Bottineau light-rail line.
The five-county Counties Transit Improvement Board last week approved giving Hennepin County $27.6 million, 60 percent of the cost, for project planning. The money adds to the $18.4 million committed by Hennepin to submit a formal request to the federal government for the project, which flows from Minneapolis through Golden Valley, Robbinsdale, Crystal and Brooklyn Park.
http://www.startribune.com/local/west/241025141.html


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The Bottineau Light Rail Transit project is prepared to move forward with early design and engineering work in 2014 following a funding commitment made this week.
http://finance-commerce.com/transit/
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Old January 20th, 2014, 05:23 AM   #171
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New interchange platform by Target Field

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Interchange Platform Construction by MSPdude, on Flickr
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Old January 20th, 2014, 05:48 AM   #172
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That canopy is going to look great!


Source and more info about the project: http://www.theinterchange.net
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Smooth road so far for Bottineau Rail Line north and west of downtown


Finally some news on this project. Actually this one might roll before Southwest( Green Line extension)



http://www.startribune.com/local/west/241025141.html



http://finance-commerce.com/transit/
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Old January 20th, 2014, 11:31 PM   #174
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Why not build both altenative routs?
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^Most likely: money. And even if they had the money to do that, I'm guessing they'd rather get started on other lines early instead.
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Old January 22nd, 2014, 08:26 AM   #176
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It is unfortunate that this line is not going through the denser parts of north Minneapolis and instead is opting for a route through parkland, forest and low density suburbia. Both this and the southwest line are complete failures in terms of serving the built up, walkable parts of the city where transit riders are most likely to live. I have no confidence in the competence of the Metropolitan Council when it comes to planning a rail transit system these days. The first two lines were good but now they seem to only want to build suburban commuter lines and have no interest in creating a system that makes car free living easier.

Bottineau and Southwest should both be cancelled until we have the leadership to do them right. Otherwise we are going to be stuck with poorly routed rail lines for the next 100+ years.
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That's a mistake other cities in this country have made unfortunately.

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Old January 22nd, 2014, 08:52 AM   #178
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Some recent articles of the Southwest line debacle. What is left unstated in the official positions in the controversy is that the line goes near Stevens Square, Whittier and Uptown; which are among the densest residential neighborhoods in the state, but doesn't serve them at all. Instead it runs through park land for most of it's trip from the city limits to downtown. It strikes a lot of people as absurd. An alternate route (3c) that went through those neighborhoods was shelved because of cost, but the "cheaper" route now seems to need tunnels that were left off the original cost analysis and raise it's price almost to that of 3c. The official position of the Metropolitan Council is that routing has been decided and that issue is now closed.

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Southwest LRT plan is 'advanced but not endorsed'

By Brian Lambert | 10/15/13.

The Southwest LRT as of today … Pat Doyle of the Strib says: “Controversial plans for a light-rail line to the southwest suburbs were advanced but not endorsed Monday by key policymakers who withheld judgment on digging nearly a mile of tunnels in a recreational corridor of Minneapolis. The unusual decision came on the eve of talks on the project scheduled Tuesday involving Gov. Mark Dayton, Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak, Hennepin County officials, legislators and Metropolitan Council chair Susan Haigh, whose agency is planning the $1.55 billion rail line. … The decision to avoid taking a stand underscores the contentious nature of the Southwest Corridor light-rail plan, which is opposed by Rybak and some City Council members, and adds more uncertainty to the project’s future.”

But … . Steve Inman, a Minneapolis resident, argues in a Strib commentary: “I am disappointed that the Star Tribune Editorial Board, suggesting that ‘it’s time to move forward,’ has concluded that the ‘Shallow tunnel plan is best for Southwest LRT’ (Oct. 13). We’ve all grown weary of this never-ending process. However, when Metropolitan Council officials are pressed with questions on design, engineering and environmental impact, there is a striking lack of substantive information. One can only conclude that this hastily created plan has not been thoroughly studied to determine the true cost in dollars and sacrifice. … Selection of the shallow-tunnel option not only violates promises made to Minneapolis but results in precisely the type of outcome the environmental review process is designed to avoid: a single community bearing all of the negative impacts of a governmental action while accruing none of the benefits.”

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Southwest LRT proposal rumbles into ‘near-death experience’ territory

By Judy Keen | 10/25/13.

Is it time to pull the plug on the Southwest Corridor light-rail line? Or is it already unraveling in slow motion?

After more than a decade of debate, there’s still no consensus on the route, and the $1.55 billion project was postponed when Gov. Mark Dayton last week called for a delay of up to 90 days so more studies can be conducted and more alternatives considered.

The decision to kick what was an imminent vote down the road is raising questions about the project’s viability, the availability of federal funds and future political implications.

It’s not easy to discern a resolution to the dispute at the heart of the postponement.

Minneapolis opposes current plans for construction of two shallow tunnels next to freight rail and bike trails in the city’s Kenilworth corridor. Opponents say light-rail trains would be above ground for too long, disrupting bicycling and other recreational activities. Trains would emerge from tunnels to cross a bridge over a channel between Cedar Lake and Lake of the Isles.

Minneapolis has for years endorsed light rail at grade level in the Kenilworth corridor in exchange for the rerouting of its current freight-train traffic.

An alternative Southwest Corridor plan would have shifted those freight trains through St. Louis Park, making room for light-rail trains at grade. Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak preferred that option; metro leaders rejected it.

After meeting with suburban officials on Tuesday, Dayton said he wants to find a way to reach consensus among the cities that would be served by the line.
http://www.minnpost.com/cityscape/20...ence-territory
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200+ skeptics offer blunt appraisals of Southwest Light Rail plan

By Karen Boros | 01/08/14.

They don’t like the proposed route of Southwest Light Rail through what is now recreational space.

They don’t think it serves potential Minneapolis riders.

And they said repeatedly that they don’t trust the Metropolitan Council to make wise decisions.

Those were the blunt messages from more than 200 people who filled Minneapolis’ Kenwood Recreation Center gym at the first of two public meetings planned to get input on the project.

The second meeting is Thursday at the St. Louis Park Recreation Center, where it is doubtful the messages will be much nicer.

“I am very, very late to this conversation,” said Dan Cramer of Grassroots Solutions, who was hired by the Metropolitan Council to conduct both meetings.

Large posters explaining the project surrounded half the room, with tables designated for discussion topics filling the floor space.

“There is a lot of frustration, there is a lot of anger, there is a lot of mistrust,” said Cramer, who had read transcripts of previous public meetings. “I am really sorry about that and I realize one meeting can’t change that.”

Participants divided themselves by discussion topics and spent an hour debating water quality, the light rail route through the Kenilworth Corridor, ridership by Minneapolis residents, as well as options for freight trains, tunnels and vegetation.

Their comments on freight trains and water quality will be forwarded immediately to two staff groups currently conducting studies on those topics. The groups’ work is expected to be complete by the end of the month.

Comments on all of the topics will be presented to “decision-makers” involved in the final plans for Southwest Light Rail line, which is expected to cost $1.5 billion.

“The hunger for federal money on the part of everybody in this process is trumping good planning and design,” said a representative from a freight-lines discussion table in his report.

His group said they would prefer the current three or four freight trains a day that travel through the Kenilworth Corridor to the proposed 200 light rail trains a day. The group favored moving the light rail line to St. Louis Park.

“There was distrust and fear, kind of a skepticism, of the whole process,” said a representative from a water-quality discussion group. “We are afraid of polluting and losing our lakes.”

“Most of the people at our table opposed the route completely,” she added. “There’s no room for development. Why not have the route go away from the lakes and to businesses it could help?”

A representative from the discussion group dealing with vegetation and green space drew applause from the crowd when he said: “At our table it was pointed out that the Metropolitan Council has allocated a great deal of money for suburban mitigation, close to $300 million, to move the alignment in the suburbs. Why isn’t this line serving a greater population density within Minneapolis?”

Large posters explaining the project surrounded half the room, with tables designated for discussion topics filling the floor space.

He added: “This line runs through neighborhoods that are neither dense nor have a population that would use this corridor. It is not moving people who desperately need transportation.”

The general consensus of the crowd seemed to be that routing the line through Uptown was a better alternative than sending it through the narrow strip of land between Cedar Lake and Lake of the Isles.

“Uptown has a burgeoning population,” said a woman from another discussion group. “We’d really love to see southwest neighborhoods with dense populations served by mass transit. This alignment doesn’t do that.

“This current alignment favors suburban riders over Minneapolis riders, and it was based on federal criteria under the Bush administration,” she added, pointing out that the rules have changed under President Obama and now focus on urban density.

http://www.minnpost.com/politics-pol...ight-rail-plan
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The date has been set!

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