Taipei Dome

[williamchung7]

Originally Posted by hatsune

I've seen Luxgen, and I'm definitely rooting for it since it seems to have promise as far as being an entry point for Taiwan to enter the automobile market. They need to release their sedan first though, minivans aren't that popular anymore in some parts of the world (i.e. the US).

I also agree that Taiwan should keep developing its tech sector (biotech, nanotech, electronics, etc), and that media is definitely another area they should take advantage of. However I heard that enough capital for the studios come from mainland China now so it might be a bit too late as far as creating a social breakthrough via that channel. I think the government first also needs to invest in developing a true market where it's not just the same 5 guys on TV all the time, and so that the talent is spread more evenly across a larger group of people. Apparently k-dramas had a lot of government involvement and investment in its early days, and it still might. Unfortunately I don't see Taiwan ever growing enough in the financial sector to overshadow Hong Kong or Shanghai.

Also, heavy industry these days doesn't always have to be your massive coal-burning smoke-churning plant. Many heavy industry companies in Asia are comparable with aerospace companies in the US... advanced engineering contractors who design and build highly difficult projects that in many cases will show off a country's capabilities. These projects can be anything from a new computer chip to a rocket engine. This was what I had in mind when I said that Taiwan should develop its heavy industry sector.

Anyways, sorry for leading things off track so much in a thread that was originally about Taipei Dome. I think it would be interesting to discuss this stuff further if a mod wants to split it out to a new thread though.

I think the true reason to keep heavy industry is that it is not just produce fossil fuel. It also produces raw materials for most of products we use in this day, from necessity to mental frame...etc. Even a lot of product made by fossil fuel. It is one of biggest handicap in environmental group's point of view to move these heavy industry out.

For me, I believe it is almost impractical in this stage. Human rely on fossil fuel very much, it is cheap and convenient to produce. Unless we can find new procedure or method to replace the way we have been used for at least 50 years.

[kalifese]

You guys are boring me. go back on topic and post some pictures, biatches!!

[williamchung7]

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiw.../31/2003499567

Taipei Dome vote stalls
By Mo Yan-chih / Staff Reporter

The environmental impact assessment process for the Taipei Dome construction project was delayed again yesterday after the city’s Environmental Impact Assessment Review Committee decided to postpone the vote because of insufficient information from the contractor.

The committee has postponed the final voting on the assessment four times since 2007. During the fifth meeting yesterday at Taipei City Hall, many committee members voiced concern about the necessity of building a 40,000-seat stadium in downtown Taipei and its possible impact on local traffic.

“We already have Taipei Arena in downtown and rather than sports events, it is mostly used as a venue for concerts. Given that the market size of sports in Taiwan is just not large enough, do we need a bigger sports facility in the city?” committee member Huang Jun-hung (黃俊鴻), a civil engineering professor at National Central University, said during the meeting.

Committee member Kuo Su-chiu (郭素秋) challenged what she called a disproportion between sports and business facilities.

In addition to the indoor stadium, the complex would also include a surrounding shopping and residential area, a movie theater and a hotel. The floor area of the shopping area would account for 70 percent of the complex.

Amid concerns about the dome from committee members, the committee chair, Taipei City’s Department of Environmental Protection Commissioner Wu Sheng-chung (吳聖忠), declined to put the project to vote and said the department would ask the contractor, Farglory Group, to offer more information on the project before gathering the committee again to complete the review process.

The decision angered environmental activists who had been waiting outside for the result.

Taiwan Green Party spokesman Pan Han-shen (潘翰聲) accused the city government of favoring the contractor and refusing to put an end to a policy mistake.

He said the size of the Taipei Dome in the revised plan only shrank by 3 percent compared with the original plan and that the city should not consider a revised plan that made little difference to the negative impacts.
Janus Lee (李柏熹), manager of Farglory’s operation administration department, said the company was disappointed at the long-delayed process, but will provide more information in accordance with the committee’s request.

“We have made all the revisions upon request and done a lot of explaining over the years. I don’t think there’s much we can revise in the project,” he said.

The group signed the contract with the city in 2006 and plans to invest more than NT$23 billion (US$700 million) in the complex. Since then, ongoing protests from environmentalists and local residents have stalled the review process.

[williamchung7]

I though some of the concerns are reasonable, such as traffic concern. But this rubbish arugment:

“We already have Taipei Arena in downtown and rather than sports events, it is mostly used as a venue for concerts. Given that the market size of sports in Taiwan is just not large enough, do we need a bigger sports facility in the city?” committee member Huang Jun-hung (黃俊鴻)

Make me run out all my patient. These environmental protection groups are asshole!

[aboutjgeo]

Originally Posted by williamchung7

I though some of the concerns are reasonable, such as traffic concern. But this rubbish arugment:

“We already have Taipei Arena in downtown and rather than sports events, it is mostly used as a venue for concerts. Given that the market size of sports in Taiwan is just not large enough, do we need a bigger sports facility in the city?” committee member Huang Jun-hung (黃俊鴻)

Make me run out all my patient. These environmental protection groups are asshole!

i rather think he's got a point though...as much as i like it, the truth is taiwan's sport population is pathetic...every time there's an international event like fifa worldcup or olympics, govt keeps promising "this year is the year of football", "this year is the year of sport" but the truth is we dont have those professional sports teams in taiwan apart from baseball which is still not mature enough.

Dont get me wrong. I'd love to have the dome, jst like i'd love every city/county in taiwan to have mrt, but if it just turns out to be another "蚊子館", then why not use the money/resource to do something more worthwhile (like upgrading all the railway stations in countrysides )

ppl argue that we need to have the dome then we'll have the facility in place to promote sports, but even now i still dont see much news about increased awareness of sports in taiwan. China, Korea (both) and Japan have/had been qualified for the FIFA world cup. Japan again for the Rugby worldcup. I do think we need some of these internationally popular sports to 1. let taiwan shine in the world 2. promote sports 3. promote tourism.

If we're just gonna use it as a concert venue, it'll be a big big waste!

cheers

[williamchung7]

I support Taipei Dome is not because it will be used for sport. I think it is a important commercial development to connect eastern commercial area and western commerial area in Taipei. And I like this project. That's my personal position.

I think main problem for me is Taipei City government, which alway hide behind media sense. They didn't say anything or show their position. That really make a lot of frustrations.

[ed21x]

Taiwan definitely doesn't need another sports venue... it's simply not necessary. Fill the area up with mixed-use development of highrise condos, office space, and retail on the first floor. Taiwan needs height, not stadiums.

[williamchung7]

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People, Taipei Dome has pass environmental impact assessment process, it will definitely be built.

However, the bad news is the commercial capacity has to reduce another 17.4% and the development has to set back further for another road lane for Chung Hsiao East Road.

[kalifese]

well at least it will be built. i care more that and also if the design is top-quality, world-class by a great architecture firm. are there final renderings?

[williamchung7]

Originally Posted by kalifese

well at least it will be built. i care more that and also if the design is top-quality, world-class by a great architecture firm. are there final renderings?

Need time to wait, because reducing another 17.4% for commercial floor area is big issue. Perhap, developer may cancel something or make towers thinner. It is just what I guess.

[williamchung7]

Someone take film during environmental impact assessment committee meeting on 26/05/2011. The meeting which pass this project.

Wow NIMBY in the meeting !!

[kalifese]

nimby??

[Awesome.e]

A review committee yesterday gave conditional approval to the Taipei Dome construction project, paving the way for the construction of the long-stalled building amid ongoing protests by environmental activists who oppose the 500,000m2 commercial complex in downtown Xinyi District (信義).

Taipei City’s Environmental Impact Assessment Review Committee, by a vote of eight to five, approved the project on the condition that the developer reduce the size of the commercial facilities at the complex and increase the number of parking spaces.

The size of the commercial facilities, including a shopping mall, movie theater, hotel and office space, should be cut by 17.4 percent to 202,610m2, while parking space should be increased to 187,965m2, the committee said.

The conditions also included adding another lane to Zhongxiao E Road, presenting a traffic plan that avoids traffic congestion in residential areas along the road and acquiring environmentally friendly building certification.
Committee chair Wu Sheng-chong (吳聖忠), commissioner of the city’s Department of Environmental Protection, said after the three-hour meeting that the developer should meet all the requirements before construction can begin.

The decision put an end to the long-delayed environmental impact assessment for the project.
Committee members expressed concern about the profit-driven design of the complex and said the developer should devote more space to sports, while presenting comprehensive solutions to traffic congestion, among other environmental impacts.

Farglory Group, the developer, signed a contract with the city government in 2005 and planned to invest more than NT$23 billion (US$700 million) in the complex at the abandoned Songshan Tobacco Factory on Zhongxiao E Road, which would include a 40,000-seat indoor stadium.

Tsai Chung-i (蔡宗易), vice president of the group’s public relations department, said the company would estimate the impact of reducing the size of the commercial facilities on future profits, declining to confirm whether the company would continue with the project.

“[The conditional approval] of the Taipei Dome project is good news for the public because Taiwan needs a professional sports venue to host international events,” Tsai said after the meeting at Taipei City Hall. “However, as the contractor, we need to make sure for our shareholders that the operation of the complex is profitable.”
Environmental groups were not satisfied with the outcome.

Taiwan Green Party spokesman Pan Han-shen (潘翰聲) said city officials accounted for seven of the 13 committee members and Pan accused the city government of hijacking the review process.
“The review process and the voting were against procedural justice,” he said.

Farglory should send a revised project plan to the city’s urban development committee for approval, before applying for a construction license if it decides to cooperate with the requirements, the committee said.

-source: Taipei Times

[Awesome.e]

There's way too many SHOPPING MALLS around that area.. WHY?

[williamchung7]

It is near Xiyin district area (about 500-1000m distance), I think they are talking about it.

Originally Posted by ed21x

Taiwan definitely doesn't need another sports venue... it's simply not necessary. Fill the area up with mixed-use development of highrise condos, office space, and retail on the first floor. Taiwan needs height, not stadiums.

They just want a park, like central park in New York.

[Taipei Walker]

They are nuts, increasing parking space is inviting more cars to the area therefore increasing the traffic. There should be less parking space so people use MRT and public transportation! This is Taipei city center not a suburbian stadium/mall!

[Taihoku_Formosa]

first posted by Taipeiwalker in Farglory Financial Center thread:
image hosted on flickr

http://www.flickr.com/photos/steve75/

Don't forget: 台鐵台北機場TR Taipei Railway Workshop is the area bounded by the elevated expressway and "Living Mall京華城".
"台鐵機場都更案 年底完成
2011-04-03工商時報記者陳懷瑜／台北報導
　台鐵局副局長張應輝2日透露，月底將把占地超過17公頃的台北機場都市計畫案送交北市府審查，目標今年底完成都更申請，整體開發案包括商辦大樓、觀光飯店、高級住宅區等。" (commercial buildings, hotels, department stores, and condos proposed)

As we discussed before, I really hope that TR can set up a new station near the area.

[ed21x]

looking at the map, it looks like it is right between the xinyi line and the nangang line. supposedly circular line phase 2 will pass right through that area with the necessary station in between. But we're probably not going to see circular line phase 2 for at least another 5 years

[nemu]

I am supportive of 大巨蛋 project. However, it is also widely known that these so called 'panels' are mostly made up of government puppets to the point where only a few real independent votes are required. Can you say pork barrel politics?

Also, why does Farglory get all the contracts?

[williamchung7]

The dispute in this three years is all about total gross flloor area definition. It has been dicussed two definitions for a long time.

總容積樓地板面積 is the total floor area by floor area ratio time to building coverage ratio. It excludes parking area. I find that without counting parking area, the total floor area Farglory group designs is about same as total floor area show in the contract.

總樓地板面積 is the total floor area inside building which include parking area. The floor area Farglory group designs will pass over condition of contract if contract statement refer to this definition.