SÃO PAULO - Arena Corinthians (65,000) - 2014 FIFA WC

[AcesHigh]

Originally Posted by hitmanhart

How are Brazilian clubs financing these stadiums?

MOST stadiums for the World Cup are public.

there are two very good PRIVATE stadiums that will be built in time for the World Cup but wont be used: Arena Palestra and Grêmio Arena.

(Grêmio Arena will be UEFA standart, and for 55 thousand people).


Grêmio Arena will cost 500 million reais. (about U$300 million)

How Grêmio will finance it? A partnership with construction firm OAS.

1 - As soon as the new stadium is ready, OAS will take over the old Grêmio Stadium, which is build in a more central and valued area of the city, will destroy it to build towers.

2 - OAS will also get a % of stadium incomes in the next 20 years

3 - OAS will explore the surroundings of the stadium, including an hotel, a mall and residential towers, which will also be built by it


Palmeiras has a similar deal with WTorre Construction Company. But since they are not delivering any old stadium (WTorre is almost rebuilding the new stadium over the old), WTorre will have a share of profits for a longer time (30 years if I am not mistaken) as well as that share being larger.


Beira Rio is one of the only two private stadiums for the WC2014. Inter thought they could build it with only their own money, in a few months the money run out

so now they had to enter in a partnership with construction company Andrade Gutierres. The company will finish the reform, and then will explore the parking and VIP suites of the stadium for 20 years or so.

Is it a combination of the club and state authorities?The last I heard was that a majority of clubs in Brazil were heavily in debt.

as I said, its state authorities alone, because only two stadiums are private. All the rest are owned by state governments. A few private stadiums being built or reformed wont be used in the World Cup, because government officials cant get corruption money out of private stadiums

Will the stadiums currently being built for the major clubs in Brazil have a major effect on the re balance of player movement to Europe? i.e will clubs have much greater match day revenues to use on keeping home grown players.

hopefully yes. Only time will tell if match day revenues will grow.

EITHER WAY, most money, be it from brazilian or european clubs, dont come from match day revenues, but from TV.

[hiroamorim]

render

Originally Posted by lfdomingos

Fizeram um mod do estadio para o PES













Ficou interessante

[AcesHigh]

what I dont like about this stadium, mainly, is the huge space between the roof and the crowd, at the areas behind the goals.

[Mo Rush]

I still really love this venue design

[Laurence2011]

nice new renders, gives a better perspective of what it's gonna look like from inside, like this stadium a bit more now

[AcesHigh]

Originally Posted by Laurence2011

nice new renders, gives a better perspective of what it's gonna look like from inside, like this stadium a bit more now

you mean the ones from the Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 mod? I wouldnt call in-game shots showing a mod made by an amateur as a "render".

[G. Manetta Marquezin]

this roof is terrible, looks like a printer...and behind the goals it's just a ornament...don't protect the people from the rain or from the sun"

[Laurence2011]

Originally Posted by AcesHigh

you mean the ones from the Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 mod? I wouldnt call in-game shots showing a mod made by an amateur as a "render".

damn i just saw the konami logo. my bad haha, still looks nice even it is a video game perspective haha

[MuitoObrigado]

This printer stadium will cost R$150 million more than these two together!

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=600897
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=654382

Brazilians suffer from one of the heaviest tax burdens in the world. The situation is aggravated by the fact that almost 30 per cent of the workforce is to be found in the informal market, responsible for approximately 18.5 per cent of the country’s GDP. A heavy tax burden is controversial per se, but is infinitely easier to justify in a welfare state featuring an efficient public service and where safe citizens enjoy a solid infrastructure, quality public schools, healthcare and other social services. Needless to say, this scenario is very far from any Brazilian reality.

South Africa spent a little over US$ 9 billion on infrastructure and stadiums for the 2010 World Cup. There are good indications that the costs for preparing the 2014 WC edition will be at least three times higher: an astonishing US$ 25 billion. And yes, we’re talking public spending.

In mid July the German team Mainz will inaugurate their new stadium – the Coface Arena – with room for 34.000 spectators. The total cost of the top modern arena is US$ 88 million. In Brazil, considering arenas that will be either built from scratch or reformed for the WC, the reform of the “Arena da Baixada” in Curitiba carries the smallest price tag: US$ 138 million.

With the above scenario in mind, perhaps it should come as no surprise that the aldermen of the São Paulo City Council today voted 36/12 in favour of granting tax breaks in the order of R$ 420 million – roughly US$ 260 million – to the football club Corinthians to help the club construct a US$ 500 million stadium. The already (in)famous Itaquerão, of “Fielzão” as it’s sometimes referred to, today remains as the city of São Paulo’s only hope to host the opening game of the World Cup. Disastrous planning (or rather the lack of) and political intrigues have led to this point of no return where apparently anything goes to “save” the city of São Paulo’s honour; even if that includes treating rules, regulations and licenses as mere formalities and pumping public funds into an entirely private endeavour. The loss in tax revenues equals the construction of 420 day care centres or 100 elementary schools.

In regard to the Itaquerão, and now speaking from a palmeirense’s point of view, one thing is particularly striking: the absolute silence by which Palmeiras’ president and directors are treating the whole thing. One would perhaps expect that it would bother Palmeiras that one of their major rivals, through foul play and unholy political alliances, literarily are treated to the opportunity of the century to have their own stadium and all benefits (i.e. expressive revenues) that comes with it. But no; while Corinthians president Andrés Sanchez lobby the City Council (yesterday we even had Corinthian ultras “paying visits” to selected aldermen), Palmeiras representatives have been saying that the Itaquerão is “none of their business”. None of their business? Anyone dropping a line like that has no business representing Palmeiras, for all I care.

There are sure to be many more chapters to this sad tale. Trust Anything Palmeiras to keep you updated.

Andrés Sanchez to São Paulo's citizens: give me your money, suckers!

http://anythingpalmeiras.wordpress.com

[Suburbanist]

Guys, please, don't use the International forum for soccer club fan bricking just because you can't do that in the Portuguese-written sub-forum!

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The issue about São Paulo host venue has become politically toxic. On top of the scheduled, now 1 year late already, it has become a political battlefield with different parties and groups, allied or enemies of high-profile soccer officials in Brazil, taking stand pro- or against-stadium based on purely political considerations, with - on all sides - completely disregard for decency on use of public money.

The result: it doesn't really matter for all those people, at least in the case of São Paulo's venue, which is the best option for the city as a host of the opening ceremony. It has all become a high-stakes political brinkmanship game, with people of influence in soccer and politics (sometimes both concurrently) trying to win the best outcome for their personal careers and prestige. As the bets were raised, so were the backroom deals and sabotage of competing propositions and, maybe, more sensible solutions because they don't really care at all at this point.

[Riquesg]

This roof is amazing!!!

[G. Manetta Marquezin]

some people find beautiful, but is not functional....the roof don't protect the supporters, so....in a possible Opening WC, the fan will pay U$ 50, and can bring rain.....

[Werkself]

The stadium is too small for Sao Paulo.

The design is kinda innovative but too abtract of being a stadium.

This design will create high maintaining costs and kill the club.

All brazilian stadium designs are bullshit, I didnt see any construction that can match european standards of enjoying football. Even nearly all designs of the poland/ukraine EM are better. Shame on brazil.

[Fred23]

Originally Posted by Werkself

The stadium is too small for Sao Paulo.

The design is kinda innovative but too abtract of being a stadium.

This design will create high maintaining costs and kill the club.

All brazilian stadium designs are bullshit, I didnt see any construction that can match european standards of enjoying football. Even nearly all designs of the poland/ukraine EM are better. Shame on brazil.

Wow! I can´t tell you how happy we from Belo Horizonte are for not having our monumental, beautiful, historical and -- yes -- oval 'bullshit" stadium exchanged for one boring arena like you guys have in Leverkusen. And yes, I have been in both stadia.
Experiencing a football match on the spot is not only about being 10 meters closer to the field; if I only wanted to see the butt from the players from closer I´d rather watch everything at home on TV. Anyway, you´re welcome to come and experience the "not european standard" emotion of a match in Mineirão...

P.S.: I know there are very good arguments against our stadiums, and I confess some of them are really convincing, but I just find ridiculous this kind of troll talking of some people who come from the highness of their ignorance to say that "all designs in Brazil are bullshit", that Brazil should be ashamed of them, or that this stadium is too small for São Paulo (what about 4 times a stadium like this? Would it make it?)...

[lusorod]

Originally Posted by Werkself

The stadium is too small for Sao Paulo.

The design is kinda innovative but too abtract of being a stadium.

This design will create high maintaining costs and kill the club.

All brazilian stadium designs are bullshit, I didnt see any construction that can match european standards of enjoying football. Even nearly all designs of the poland/ukraine EM are better. Shame on brazil.

The Sao Paulo Arena as it is today isn´t my favorite, but we do have excellent projects in Brazil for the world cup. Not to mention that the standards imposed by FIFA for the 2014 world Cup are the HIGHEST STANDARDS EVER in the History of the organization. To say that the Brazilian world cup Stadia, won´t be in the same standards as European stadia of today is absolutely right. The Brazilian stadia will be of a HIGHER STANDARD then most Arenas in Europe today. The HIGHEST STANDARD EVER for a World Cup will be in Brazil which I think it is absurd to be honest. Maracana is said to be by far the World's most modern Stadium when it's renovation is completed.

We do have world class Arenas though. Manaus, Brasilia, Fortaleza, Belo Horizonte, Natal, Salvador, Recife and Cuiabá are all world class. Not only in design, but also according to the toughest environmental standards today and of 2014. I still think that we could have a better project for Sao Paulo City though!!! I'll give you that.

[Riquesg]

Originally Posted by Werkself

The stadium is too small for Sao Paulo.

The design is kinda innovative but too abtract of being a stadium.

This design will create high maintaining costs and kill the club.

All brazilian stadium designs are bullshit, I didnt see any construction that can match european standards of enjoying football. Even nearly all designs of the poland/ukraine EM are better. Shame on brazil.

Who says that european standarts is better than brazilian standarts??? Do you really want to teach how to enjoy soccer to brazilians???? European like to enjoy the match sitting and this is much boring.

This stadium is most acessible, confortable stadium of the world because the FIFA requeriments for the opening match made after the South Africa World Cup. Inside the arena has 30 elevators, and the public bus can stop on basement, in a urgency the stadium will be empty in 3 minutes.

[Jericho-79]

A retractable-roof stadium that open to the elements on both ends?

Interesting...

[masterpaul]

Originally Posted by Riquesg

Who says that european standarts is better than brazilian standarts??? Do you really want to teach how to enjoy soccer to brazilians???? European like to enjoy the match sitting and this is much boring.

This stadium is most acessible, confortable stadium of the world because the FIFA requeriments for the opening match made after the South Africa World Cup. Inside the arena has 30 elevators, and the public bus can stop on basement, in a urgency the stadium will be empty in 3 minutes.

I dont think thats possible for the stadium to be empty in 3 minutes.

[Benn]

With seats and aisles no large stadium is going to empty nearly that fast, but this does seem smart enough in terms of safety.

I think I might be the only one thats kind of liking this one, the open ends I find fantastic (kind of like the do Dragao in Porto, although without the beautifully sculpted supports in the ends) especially in a place with a fairly moderate climate like Sao Paolo. The sightlines look very good and I am starting to come around to the exterior a little, but will need to see it in cintext to really make up my mind. The ends may not be enclosed, but of the average day in Sao Paolo in June is 22 degrees C and sunny, then who cares.

[blaslsanchez]

This is stadium is showing how Corinthians is hated by fans from another soccer clubs. It will be the best arena in Brazil not just for soccer matches but for shows too. The metro system just across the street is the biggest advantage against another stadiums.

And of course the State should pay to extend the stadium to 70,000 seats. Why should Corinthians pay to something that it wouldn't use and have profit?