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This was always going to happen, it's an open space about to become private space. Opinion can be turned around though and the club needs to make as much of the site available to the community as possible and convince it that they will be an asset to the area.
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An interesting riposte from FC Fanzine A Fine Lung
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And now for some "Comment"
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According to someone on here it's City's fault.
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Another MCC botch up.
![]() As a one time LG suit, I can see the logic of MCC uniting monies for Broadhurst Park with the FCUM project. But in typical MCC fashion, the logic doesn't bare up with the facts of the ground. Erm literally in this case. The Newton Heath site had greater economically, communitarian and public transport benefits and a lesser environment impact. Plus it was welcomed by the locals and has long term prospect and growth potential. Developing the rundown site in Moston is beneficial. But only because Moston itself is a kip. Sorry to offend, but it is. It is limited in its growth potential. Of the six possible sites I could imagine that a sports complex could be built on in north and central Manchester, this is probably not the one I would have chose had I been at MCC. But poor old FC. A honest and soundly driven sports club that wishes to be community orientated. Now faced with a mix bag of concerned locals not wishing their evenings to be floodlight to death, the usual NIMBYS, wannabe politicos and various mischief making football supporters from other clubs, who perhaps need to grow up if they are involved at all. And seemingly the usual misplaced cynicism of a falling local rag. Well I can see alot of unnecessary bollix coming.
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By the way that fanzine description of a certain perm a tan journo makes me howl. A man certain in his destiny to present on a minor sports channel I always thought?
Its an illumination show sometimes in yer Press Club! Sadly I cringed reading the rest. Sounds just like those numpties who go on about Stretford being a foreign land!! Yeah lots of unnecessary bollix for the sake of building a community sports project in various kips in the city centre. Good grief! All it needs now is a monorail!
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The FC mega eggcup rumbles on. Any further renderings grand? Especially inside the citadel of co-operative football?
Having read the local rags and the Facebook page, I doubt that anything will satisfy those locals who already are opposed to it. Having been involved in campaigning, I am astonished by the manner how those opposed to the proposal have acted. As much as i can sympathise with those mostonians who may not wish to hear the sloop John b echoing in their front rooms whilst police action camera is on the box. I do not think they going to achieve their aims by concentrating on imagined failings of football supporters, depicting them as far rightists and pretending this scrub land is still public access. And they will soon realise that any campaign needs to be flexible to achieve concessions, or else they might find that someone like Tesco ends up there instead. Still think there are better places to build this, but if that happens it won't be because of the locals.
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I like it, a football ground surrounded by houses is very retro and very English.
It will probably increase the value of property in the area. |
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A very professional imaging there. "more than a football ground." What a tag line..... And re branding a park fenced to prevent intrusion from joy riders and people in caravans as the moston community stadium facility. M C F S.
Oh course you do realize grand that by restricting access to lightbowne road. A. That is a road without a bus route. B. Is an extra km to walk to the nearest tram and train C. So will encourage even more car usage. Despite that and the 1.5 metre feminine ball of joy describing it as a new school a like, it sounds a grand idea.
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1913 Public squalor, private wealth 2013 Public squalor, private wealth Last edited by heatonparkincakes; June 9th, 2011 at 08:09 PM. |
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Just asked the above question to one of my neighbors who is involved with development fund. He answered "park and ride at newton Heath heaton."
If I could work out how to copy and paste a men link, then I would but apparently swinton rugby are also developing their ground stadium in age croft.
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Spit.
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Ha ha jack root beer given you are a local, have you been consulted yet?
Almost impressed with their plans, especially the thoughtful ideas such as a local generator. It is curious and unique to witness these two mancunian sports clubs being local dynamos for re generation. FC in a small organic communitarian way and MCFC acting as the significant catalyst for adug's master plan (well let's hope so) for east Manchester both provide alternative but strangely matching models of how sports club should act in the future. Oh course it could all go wrong. The arabocrats gets shunted out after a revolution and leave miles platting it's own grief amongst the rubble and of course FCs plans might either get rejected by the charity commission. Any suggestions either way what happens next then?
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I recently moved to the New Moston area from Cheetham Hill. I live about a 5 minute drive from the proposed site and I still can't make my mind up.
I'm looking forward to the idea of a proper community sports centre which we will be able to access plus I'm sure that the club moving to the site would bring money and some form of regeneration to the area. I live in a very nice "bought" area but it is slap bang next to a council estate. I purchased my current house after moving from one of the worst council estates in the country (Waterloo, C/Hill) so I'm not being snobby when I say this - I say this through experience and being "real." The council estate is pretty run down and the area surrounding the proposed site suffers from locals who live on this estate. They congregate on the streets drinking wife beater (cheap Cider), smoking weed, vandalising street lights, phone boxes and bus stops, they cause a general nuisance trying to act like "thugs" despite being plastic nobodies (trust me, the life I've had I know fake nobodies when I see them). Hopefully the football ground will bring an increase of CCTV, a bit more of a street presence and maybe somewhere for the local muppets to go and burn off some energy, in turn bringing down the anti social behaviour. There are many downsides to the move though which are causing my concern. First off will be the increase of traffic. I don't care what the club and council claim; there WILL be a big impact to local traffic, especially during match days. The majority of people are going to come by car which brings the problems Ordsall suffers during United home games. Youths and local wannabe's waving cars onto residential streets and charging money to "watch" their cars. The people who park here and don't pay will no doubt have their windows put in or cars scratched up. Again - this is common practice around the Ordsall estate (MUFC) and Bradford / Miles Platting estates (MCFC) which the council don't seem to acknowledge. We will also see more problems at the local pubs which will swell with fans before and after games no doubt leading to an increase of incidents. The biggest concern I have is that the council and the club are basing their arguments on the current club position. FC United are in a unique position having a large amount of funds and a large following that will only grow with more United fans and locals. It's a certainty that the club will rise through the leagues and I have no doubt that within the next 20 years they will at least be a 1st/2nd division club. There is no way that the ground will stay at the proposed capacity if this is the case and fans will probably at least triple. I wonder if the current proposed site would be considered adequate if there were 25-30,000 fans attending. THAT is definitely a possibility in the close future and one which is giving me cause for concern. As a local, the only consultation I have had is in the form of a 6 page booklet and a letter telling me when and where they are going to hold consultation events. That only arrived last week and this idea has been in the works for how long now? NOT good enough. I would at least have expected some form of postal vote/questionnaire. Maybe club reps knocking at local houses to gather information on what people think. While they ARE holding 4 consultation events where this might take place, the times are difficult for most people to attend. 18:00 start time? Really? The majority of people who finish work around 17:30 won't even get home until way after 18:00 due to rush hour. How much information would we have missed by the time we get to arrive at these consultations? It seems to me that local residents are an afterthought and nothing will stop this from happening. They are giving the least amount of information and making it as hard as possible for people to have a say on the matter. While some people make a joke of it: Quote:
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Sorry for the rant peeps... this is the first chance I've had to really talk about my feelings on the idea. If anyone is interested in seeing it, I can scan and upload the booklet and letter...? Last edited by CHG; June 15th, 2011 at 06:15 PM. |
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Interesting perspective CHG. For what it's worth, I believe the club are genuine in their desire to be of benefit to the locality. The community work they have done thus far with no facilities and very few staff bodes well for the area and for football. Indeed, they have been doing this sort of stuff from the outset, well before Moston or indeed Ten Acres Lane was even mentioned, so it's being done for the right reasons. It's also worth noting that the club are legally obliged to be of community benefit due to the way it is structured.
All that said, I think the residents have some genuine concerns which need to be discussed and addressed. The one of traffic is going to be a problem, no doubt, but it's how big, that is the question. All I can offer on this is that I live within a 2min walk of Altrincham's ground which is of similar size and to be honest the disruption is minimal. Sure, it's a bit annoying to come home and find it a bit harder to park, but when you look at it, it's only 25 days a year for 3 hrs or so. In actual fact, the night games don't even bother me as I'm usually home well before the traffic builds. As part of the planning submission, there will be a traffic management plan which will detail how they will mitigate the issue as far as possible. When it comes out, I'd encourage you to read it. I hope the petty crime isn't an issue and hopefully the potential perpetrators will be inside the ground rather than outside it. In terms of the ground needing to be bigger in time, there is that possibility, but the current crowds are about 2000 so it shouldn't be in the immediate future, not that we could afford it anyway. A 25000 stadium isn't going to be needed anytime soon. Any expansion would again have to go through planning so the arguments could be addressed at the time, but I understand the concern that it is a foot in the door so to speak. I'm sorry to hear you think the consultation could be better. All that has been done thus far is entirely voluntary. The real statutory consultation only really starts when planning goes in. I think I'm right in saying that there have already been 2 sessions at a weekend and 3 more are planned in the evenings. It can't suit everyone, but the opportunity is there. I believe these are in the form of a drop in, so I'm sure if you turn up late, you'll still be able to have your say. Please go, the guys running it are genuine and willing to listen. Additionally there is an email address to ask questions or submit ideas for those that can't make it. FC didn't choose Moston, and sometimes I think there is a slight condescending tone to some of the stating of the benefits case, but at the end of the day, I think it is a force for good and far from the nuisance that some people perceive. In my opinion, there are far worse things that could be built on that land. There is of course an argument that nothing should be built there, but with the march of time, something inevitably will be built. Investments like this don't come around very often, especially in the current economic climate, and the status quo of a fenced off grass area isn't the best use of it in my opinion. But hey, I don't live there. |
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