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Old January 28th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #161
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Old January 28th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #162
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Old January 29th, 2012, 02:16 PM   #163
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very nice pics from Ankara....thanks for sharing.
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Old January 29th, 2012, 08:51 PM   #164
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Ankara looks interesting!
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Old February 1st, 2012, 02:03 AM   #165
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Very surprising!!!

Hello, this surprised me quite a lot, looks really like a modern and prosperous place!
Do most Turks have money for buying all these luxuries, the place is full of posh boutiques!
Another thing which surprised me is that there are almost no headscarf wearing ladies in Ankara, here in Utrecht we have a Turkish neigbourhood with many immigrants, in the streets almost all girls and ladies wear headscarves, I've heard that in Turkish/Muslim culture it is not done for ladies to go uncovered and there have been even so-called honor killings here and in Germany because according to the family decency standards dressing and behaving in a too western way dishonors the father/husband and the whole family and that honor can only be restored by killing the "offender" and even if the killer goes to prison for a long time often he takes the consequence, also in some families the murder is carried oud by a minor because minors are punished less harshly than adults. So given this, how can so many girls walk the streets without headscarves in Ankara without consequences?
Also I saw adverts for beer, I read in a book on Islamic law that alcohol was haram (forbidden) in Islam and its use or sale punished with whiplashes.
Well, nice thread and wish you good luck with its continuation!
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Old February 1st, 2012, 08:53 PM   #166
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Immigrant communities are often a lot more 'traditional' than those in the home country, and a lot more consciously identified with the place of origin - as a way of defining themselves in a 'foreign' culture.


The coastal cities and areas of Turkey are very 'westernised', as are the big cities.

Ataturk banned the wearing of the headscarf.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 10:45 PM   #167
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Immigrant communities are often a lot more 'traditional' than those in the home country, and a lot more consciously identified with the place of origin - as a way of defining themselves in a 'foreign' culture.


The coastal cities and areas of Turkey are very 'westernised', as are the big cities.

Ataturk banned the wearing of the headscarf.
Atatürk had not banned the wearing of the headscarf!!!
During Atatürks time there was no political islam as we have today in Turkey. The banning of the headscarf was much later after islamic parties were founded and the ban was limited only for state buildings schools, universities etc.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 12:18 AM   #168
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I stand corrected.
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 12:52 AM   #169
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Hello, this surprised me quite a lot, looks really like a modern and prosperous place!
Do most Turks have money for buying all these luxuries, the place is full of posh boutiques!
Another thing which surprised me is that there are almost no headscarf wearing ladies in Ankara, here in Utrecht we have a Turkish neigbourhood with many immigrants, in the streets almost all girls and ladies wear headscarves, I've heard that in Turkish/Muslim culture it is not done for ladies to go uncovered and there have been even so-called honor killings here and in Germany because according to the family decency standards dressing and behaving in a too western way dishonors the father/husband and the whole family and that honor can only be restored by killing the "offender" and even if the killer goes to prison for a long time often he takes the consequence, also in some families the murder is carried oud by a minor because minors are punished less harshly than adults. So given this, how can so many girls walk the streets without headscarves in Ankara without consequences?
Also I saw adverts for beer, I read in a book on Islamic law that alcohol was haram (forbidden) in Islam and its use or sale punished with whiplashes.
Well, nice thread and wish you good luck with its continuation!

It suprises me that europeans have still such an unclear picture of Turkey.

I will start with the economic situation of the people. The situation of social classes in Turkey are not much different from other Eurepean countries. There is an upper class, middel class and a lower class unfortunately there is a widening gap between these classe but yes people have the money to buy all these luxuries. Even if they don't have it they still spend money like crazy because unlike Europeans turkish people have no fear of debts. This is just one of many reasons why foreign brands keep investing in Turkey.

The religion of islam plays an very important role in turkish culture. What makes Turkey different from other highly muslim populated countries is Atatürk the founding father of the Turkish Republic. After the collapse of the Ottoman Empire he and his friends have opted to establish a secular state. Religion should no longer interfere in politics and women and men should be equal before the law. All these things brought women in Turkey freedoms they never had before and many welcomed this. Those men who tried to fight against the new western state and its values get punished.
Unfortunately these values were given from above and not self-earned, as in Western cultures. Political islam has been growing and with it the number of conservatives. Therefore we can speek of two different turkish societies living together in one country today the western and the eastern.

You know Christianity has also rules and believers should stand to these rules. As we know most Christians don not follow to all of these rules for example the Pope says don't use condoms but you don't have to listen to him and you can still be religious. The same goes for islam. It is my choice wether I drink alcohol or not.

The first turkish guest workes came at the beginning of the 60s to Germany. These peole were not that much influenced from political islam and if you do a little reasearch you will be very suprised. Only a small percentage of the female guest workers was wearing a headscarf. This picture changed gradually because more and more village people emigrated to Europe and also discriminations forced them to be more conservative. I know it sounds stupid but somehow Europe got the trash of Turkey.

Honor killing is not just a islamic thing actually. It is part of the culture of eastern Turkey and most people who commit such a crime are usually kurdish or from eastern Turkey. The only solution to stop honor killing is education imo.

At the end Turkey is a mix of east and west. Some cities are more western some eastern and sometimes it differs from neighborhood to neighborhood. At the moment Turkey is ruled by an islamic party I hope this will change soon.
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My dad (American) travels fairly frequently on business to Ankara, and he loves the city. He says it's one of his favorite places to travel to and he travels all over the globe. He also fell in love with Turkish food and he wants to build an oven in our backyard just for the purpose of making Turkish bread. lol

Anyways, it's great to put a face to Ankara after all my dad's descriptions. It truely is an extremely nice city and I would like to travel with him one day here.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #171
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Wow, Ankara seems to be a lively vibrant city.
In India, whenever we enquired about Turkey Holiday package, all consists of visiting Istambul only.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 11:57 AM   #172
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Amazing and very nice updates from Ankara
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Old February 7th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #173
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Ankara looks quite nice
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Old February 7th, 2012, 09:45 PM   #174
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i love this great country, city of stambul i´m like very much.
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Old February 8th, 2012, 01:38 AM   #175
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I really like the streetlife.
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Great updates Du999!! You're doing a great job of giving a multifaceted and representative view of Ankara.
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Thank you all for the nice comments.
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Old February 11th, 2012, 10:17 AM   #179
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i would like to see some snowy pics of ankara
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i would like to see some snowy pics of ankara
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