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Old November 22nd, 2014, 12:43 AM   #281
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yup 'merica!!!!

..where we still design trains to look like 1960 POS in 2014!!
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You can blame the Federal Railroad Administrations for the design.
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doesn't matter FRA rules haven't changed in 103 year.
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It really looks like Philadelphia regional rail trains... so ugly
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 04:25 PM   #282
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The trains will be in service for at least thirty years, perhaps even longer. It doesn't matter how modern they look today. They will look dated long before they leave service.
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Old November 24th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #283
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The initial batch of trains has arrived at Denver's beautiful Union Station, completing their journey from Philadelphia.

Here they are approaching the capital from the northeast, pictured here between Brighton and Commerce City, CO

On the Tracks by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Waiting for the Trains by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Into the Last Switch by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

approaching Union Station platform area

Through the "Throat" by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Checking the Clearance by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Looks Just Right by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Backing In by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Delivery Done! by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Union Station by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Uncoupling by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr

Separation by Regional Transportation District, on Flickr
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:05 AM   #284
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It feels like the train design in the US hasn't changed in the last 50 years, at all. Is there any special reason for that?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:39 AM   #285
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It feels like the train design in the US hasn't changed in the last 50 years, at all.
How did you decide on 50 years?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:41 AM   #286
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The trains are there, the line to the airport seems to be almost ready, too. Why does it take more than another year to start the service?
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Old November 25th, 2014, 01:47 AM   #287
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The trains are there, the line to the airport seems to be almost ready, too. Why does it take more than another year to start the service?
Can they serve Denver International Airport without a finished airport railway station? Denver is not Minsk.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 04:29 AM   #288
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How did you decide on 50 years?
Because he's pretty much right. Except for maybe the Acela, trains here usually look at least 50 years old (to me at least).
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Old November 25th, 2014, 05:47 AM   #289
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It feels like the train design in the US hasn't changed in the last 50 years, at all. Is there any special reason for that?
Good question. I'm guess the retro looks is still popular and FRA regulations.
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Old November 25th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #290
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The 50 years were just a guess but the point is that they look very retro like, from a European perspective at least. The US is not the only country with metal look trains but in most countries new train sets look quite different from those that you find commonly in the US. In fact the difference is very eye jumping. Even 20 year old train sets often look almost futuristic compared to up to date US train sets. There must be some cultural difference at work here I think. Or the regulations that force the trains into tank like features forbids any playful design of train ends. I don't know.

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Can they serve Denver International Airport without a finished airport railway station? Denver is not Minsk.
Apart from that, extensive track testing takes it time, doesn't it? After all, you'd rather not want to find out some technical difficulties after opening if you can do so already before and fix them upfront.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 03:10 AM   #291
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If a design is sufficiently out of date, it begins to look stylish again.

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Old November 26th, 2014, 01:09 PM   #292
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Yeah that's what they cal 'historical/classic'. But when your trains haven't changed in 40 years because of regulations or stinginess I'd just call that out of date an old fashioned. In a bad way.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 07:06 PM   #293
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The pointless "change for the sake of change" obsession just never caught on in US transit circles, it seems.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 09:03 PM   #294
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I don't think anything is wrong with that old style train design, if US Americans prefer it that way. To change merely for the sake of changing is the wrong way to go for sure.

Personally, I do like the modern cars more than the older ones however. The "classic" designs are increasingly disappearing across Europe and the modern look, is the new standard. Those US designs start to look increasingly exotic. It is even more extreme when you look at the light rail vehicles. Even 10-20 year old European vehicles usually look futuristic compared to most brand new ones in the US. I am not being judgemental, I just wanted to mention that once as it is the first thing one reckognizes when looking across the great pond.

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Standard commuter rail trains of Stockholm: http://www.infrastrukturnyheter.se/s...2-christer.jpg

Another thing is that partial low floor vehicles seem to be pretty much standard among new commuter trains. That is because old trains used to have some steps inside and that is something companies and authorities to get rid with. Is this an issue in the US as well? What is the solution there? Are platform levels simply much higher so that trains don't need to be low floor but still barrier free? I guess if you have to rebuild sytems from scratch you can take care of such things quite easily.
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I happen to find modern LRT systems very modern looking, compared with other forms of rail though.

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Another thing is that partial low floor vehicles seem to be pretty much standard among new commuter trains. That is because old trains used to have some steps inside and that is something companies and authorities to get rid with. Is this an issue in the US as well? What is the solution there? Are platform levels simply much higher so that trains don't need to be low floor but still barrier free? I guess if you have to rebuild sytems from scratch you can take care of such things quite easily.
All (completely) new rail lines are required by federal law [Americans with Disabilities Act 1990] to have level boarding for the elderly/disabled. However, many systems in the US are using legacy track-age and/or historical rolling stock so tend to have wildly different standards. So you can see different platform vs floor heights from region to region. Combined with relatively poor funding and politico-cultural mayhem leads to only a handful of new compliant lines or retrofitting of older ones.
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Visited Denver just this past weekend. Strange/interesting but kind cool thing about the new Union Station: I got a quick tour on a Saturday night and the place was absolutely packed. BUT I'd say that 99% of the people in there weren't there because they were waiting for the train. The Terminal Bar had a line out the door, and most people sitting in the waiting area had drinks and food. Only saw 1 person there with a suitcase, and there was an Amtrak train in the station.

Is that a good thing or not? It'll be even cooler when the airport line and all the other commuter lines are finished.
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Old November 26th, 2014, 11:46 PM   #298
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I think its a good sign, according to you the station is full of life, already now. Without high speed rail there are not a lot of big potential rail destination within reach and high speed rail is not going to be a reality anytime soon if ever. Because of Denver's location the airport ist the door to the world and as you said, with the connection to the airport also the trolley guys will finally arrive at Union Station.

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Sounds complicated. But systematic level boarding isn't a reality in much of Europe either so far.

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Yes, those new light rail systems look nice and modern. But I was having the Denver light rail in mind which looks very conservative.
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In NYC, outside of rush hours, a good half of the folks in Grand Central are not there to catch a train. The same cannot be said of Penn Station, where close to 100% of visitors are there for transport-related purposes.
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I don't think stations should be "destinations" other than tranportation facilities and some ancillary services. It creates unnecessary crowds and safety hazards to have a lot of drunk people near a place active platforms!

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