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Old September 6th, 2010, 10:59 AM   #21
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This Dutch Crossing has the 2 for 1 location special. A Draw Bridge and Railway Crossing , similar setup can be found along the North Jersey Coast line in South Jersey.

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Old September 6th, 2010, 02:11 PM   #22
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I see most crossings you guys post close just before train comes. Here in Poland you often need to wait couple of minutes to see train passing.
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Same in Italy
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Old September 6th, 2010, 03:31 PM   #24
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The last few Amtrak Keystone Crossings in the Pennsylvania Dutch Countryside. They be removed by the end of the decade as Amtrak and the state of PA plan on upgrading the line to 140mph and adding alot of service. 2 to 3 more lines and 5 new services will be added due to the fact that ridership has spiked.

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Old September 6th, 2010, 03:52 PM   #25
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At Dutch railroad crossings, there is usually an 8 second timeframe between the moment the crossing is fully closed and the train passing by. There are different types of crossings. Most common is the "AHOB", wich is an abbreviation for an automatic railroad crossing with "half gates". That means it only blocks the lanes entering the crossing, so you could still leave the crossing and can't get trapped between the gates.

A typical Dutch railroad crossing:


In some other countries, the gates are closed by the command of an operator. That person can be sitting in a building next to the crossing, or somewhere else. In the Netherlands, just three of these type of railroad crossings still exist: Naarden-Bussum, Roermond and Zutphen. But in Germany for example, it's still common in rural areas.

The railroad traffic control (like dispatching, communications, traffic information, etc) in the Netherlands is highly automatised and centralised. In fact, the whole national railway network is managed from just a few locations. For example, Railtraffic control Zwolle operates the signals and switches in Onnen-Zuid, which is almost 100 kilometers away from them.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 06:24 PM   #26
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the Netherlands and France have probably the shortest waiting times in Europe.
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When I was a child, 25 years ago, I remember that in Italy there were long waiting times also after the train was passed, till the opening of the gates. My dad used to say that railroad operators had to wait until the train arrived to the next station, but I don't know if it was true.
What I know for sure is that now we have to wait just few seconds from the passage of the train until the gates open.
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do you guys have all automatized barriers, or somewhere you still have old mechanical? i know these exist in Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, UK
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Old September 6th, 2010, 06:54 PM   #29
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Old September 6th, 2010, 07:43 PM   #30
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do you guys have all automatized barriers, or somewhere you still have old mechanical?
It's been many years now since I saw a manual mechanical barrier. Probably between 15 and 20, but I don't know if all the crossings in Italy have been upgraded with automatic barriers.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 08:19 PM   #31
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American grade crossings in action

^overhead ungated (note: if you skip to about 7:57 there is an ultra modern low gate)
The one shown starting at 7:57 is a specially designed 'strong' gate that is intended to physically catch and stop vehicles with drivers who might otherwise want to drive through regardless of what the signals say. I believe that they are required for any at-grade crossings on any rail lines in the USA where the train speed limit is over 130 km/h (79 MPH). Granted, that Wisconsin Southern ('WSOR') crossing in Monroe, WI has nowhere near THAT track speed, but physically stopping traffic is their intent. Yes, they are very expensive.

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Old September 6th, 2010, 09:14 PM   #32
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This Dutch Crossing has the 2 for 1 location special. A Draw Bridge and Railway Crossing , similar setup can be found along the North Jersey Coast line in South Jersey.

Is this in Groningen? I am not sure, but as I passed through the city, I think I saw somethin similar there.
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Old September 6th, 2010, 10:25 PM   #33
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When I was a child, 25 years ago, I remember that in Italy there were long waiting times also after the train was passed, till the opening of the gates. My dad used to say that railroad operators had to wait until the train arrived to the next station, but I don't know if it was true.
What I know for sure is that now we have to wait just few seconds from the passage of the train until the gates open.
Railways are usually divided in signal blocks, with signals protecting them. In each block there can be only one train, and each block can be from 0.5 to 30 km in length depending of rail traffic. A train can't enter a block if a level crossing within it is opened, so if the block is 8 km long with the level crossing in between, the level crossing is closed from when the train is 4 km before until when it is 4 km after the level crossing. This description is simplified (if the block is 30 km long the level crossings have other rules, there are different rules in different countries, ...), but roughly correct
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Old September 6th, 2010, 11:26 PM   #35
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@coccodrillo: thanks! But I see that since 20 years rules have changed, for before crossings were closed for longer times...
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:12 AM   #36
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Is this in Groningen? I am not sure, but as I passed through the city, I think I saw somethin similar there.
The video says its in Middelburg (capital of Zeeland province).
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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:37 AM   #37
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@coccodrillo: thanks! But I see that since 20 years rules have changed, for before crossings were closed for longer times...
In the past some level crossings were closed manually by the station's master of the staion before the level crossing, and this took longer times.

Faster level crossings (at least in Italy) may be closed automatically when a train switch a sensor on the tracks. The problem with this system is that the train driver doesn't know if the level crossing is closed or not (because there is no signal to protect it), is for that reason that some level crossings have barriers only on the entrance lane: to help escape irresponsible car drivers.

In Italy there is a vicious circle: level crossings are closed for long because people often doesn't respect the prohibition to pass, but they pass despite the prohibition because level crossing are closed for too long time...

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passaggio_a_livello

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_crossing
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:21 AM   #38
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In Italy there is a vicious circle: level crossings are closed for long because people often doesn't respect the prohibition to pass, but they pass despite the prohibition because level crossing are closed for too long time...
Well, Italians have many defects (many of them run red traffic lights, almost none of them stop at pedestrian crossings), but I have never seen them running thru a closed railroad crossing. And I live 50m from a rather busy one.
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I assure you that for pedestrian crossing a level crossing when it is closed or a railway where is forbidden is common. But certainly not only in Italy, just remember the disaster south of Barcelona a few months ago.
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the Netherlands and France have probably the shortest waiting times in Europe.
In Belgium waiting times are also very short. Sometimes the beames are just down and the train comes zooming by...
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