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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:40 AM   #41
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I assure you that for pedestrian crossing a level crossing when it is closed or a railway where is forbidden is common.
Ah, you meant pedestrians. In this case you are quite right (even if "common" is an overstatement: let's say "sometimes it happens")
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Old September 7th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #42
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But also some car drivers enter a level crossing when there is no space after it, a really dangerous behaviour.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 12:03 PM   #43
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Old September 7th, 2010, 12:51 PM   #44
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This video shows you a typical crossing in my state.

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Old September 7th, 2010, 01:05 PM   #45
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do you guys have all automatized barriers, or somewhere you still have old mechanical? i know these exist in Hungary, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Serbia, Romania, UK
There are some barriers that are still operated by the train driver. Though they are low-traffic lines, with like 8-10 trains a day. Some are near the croatian border.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:27 PM   #46
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I found one with quite short waiting time somwhere in Poland
~ 25 s. and following trains between 25 and 40 seconds.


Notice nice bells which are being replaced by electronic sounds these days

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Old September 7th, 2010, 02:38 PM   #47
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There are some barriers that are still operated by the train driver.
Are you sure? Never heard about this. Driver gets out of train and pushes button/lever/whatever or how?
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But also some car drivers enter a level crossing when there is no space after it, a really dangerous behaviour.
Well, In Italy semi-barriers are quite rare. The most common form of barriers is the "double semi-barriers", like the ones I photographed in the very first post of this thread: first the bells, then semi-barriers on the driving side of the road come down, then after 10 seconds or so the others semi-barriers come down, to allow cars still passing through the crossing to escape.
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I was wondering why American trains sound their horn all the time. Isn't it obvious that a train is approaching when bells are ringing, red lights are flashing and the barriers at the crossing are closed? Why horn? And isn't that very annoying for anyone living close to the railway?

In my country, the horn is just used as an exceptional warning. For example to prevent a collision, or to give a warning when there are children or maintanance workers very close to the tracks. Or when there is a malfunction with the automatic warning signals at the crossing.

It scares me when I see those videos of American railroad crossings, as Dutch train only use the horn that way when they are about to hit somebody...
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Old September 7th, 2010, 03:49 PM   #50
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noctice the same. But I also read that it's very comon in some states to have extremely long waiting times, especially when it is a cargo train. People start driving between the barriers..., bu I've also seen thet here in Belgium and they also only sound the horn when in danger of collision or when their is a person or animal to close or on the tracks
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Are you sure? Never heard about this. Driver gets out of train and pushes button/lever/whatever or how?
Its from the very old times. Usually bus-sized trains go there, hence it isnt a huge problem. Driver or controller gets out, and lowers the barrier.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 04:56 PM   #52
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Its from the very old times. Usually bus-sized trains go there, hence it isnt a huge problem. Driver or controller gets out, and lowers the barrier.
That's funny. Wouldn't it be easier to just stop the train before a railroad crossing and proceed very slowly? Once the train occupies the whole crossing, it could speed up.
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Old September 7th, 2010, 04:58 PM   #53
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The allowed speed there is about 40 for the trains . There is a video on youtube about such a line, I will look it up for you guys.
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I was wondering why American trains sound their horn all the time. Isn't it obvious that a train is approaching when bells are ringing, red lights are flashing and the barriers at the crossing are closed? Why horn? And isn't that very annoying for anyone living close to the railway?

In my country, the horn is just used as an exceptional warning. For example to prevent a collision, or to give a warning when there are children or maintanance workers very close to the tracks. Or when there is a malfunction with the automatic warning signals at the crossing.

It scares me when I see those videos of American railroad crossings, as Dutch train only use the horn that way when they are about to hit somebody...
Its Federal law , engineers must blow there horns at all intersections unless marked otherwise. This applies to Intercity , Freight , and Commuter Rail , Urban Rail it varies depends on the city or town. They also blow there horns in Canada & i think in Mexico. The Horns vary depending on the type of trains , the loudest are on the diesel trains. The Electric trains are slightly quieter. The Horns themselves don't annoy ppl , the loudest of the engines usually does. You get used to after a few weeks. I live 1km west of the nearest crossing / station and i can hear them , usually the morning ones only. We also have bells on the trains to warn ppl , although thats not really a rule more of a tradition in North America. Trains also blow born enter a Major station to warn ppl who are near or over the yellow bar.



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My favorite Horn is the Arrow 3's unfortnatly they'll be replaced with Asain trains sometime this decade. There also used on the PATH subway , yes the subway trains do blow there horns. Its more of a customary thing at certain stations & at the portals.

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Trains that blow their horns all the time...IT would make me crancky for sure!
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Old September 7th, 2010, 07:09 PM   #56
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This is a quite interesting railroad crossing. The A2 highway crosses the former Uithoorn - Nieuwersluis railroad. The crossing (and railroad) has disappeared by now.
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Back when the A2 was constructed, it wasn't considered worthwhile to build a viaduct over this hardly used line, so they build an ordinairy crossing. It went well for about 10 years before an accident happend, after which the crossing could only be closed in the presence of an police officer. The crossing was removed in 1986 after the closure of the railroad line.

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Trains that blow their horns all the time...IT would make me crancky for sure!
Its not that bad , we do have quiet crossings.

This Crossing will be grade separated by the end of the decade when the last remaining crossings on the NEC are removed. There all in CT.

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I assure you that for pedestrian crossing a level crossing when it is closed or a railway where is forbidden is common. But certainly not only in Italy, just remember the disaster south of Barcelona a few months ago.
Here's METRA's answer to that in Chicagoland (METRA is the commuter 'heavy rail' service in the metro area, they use normal freight tracks):

http://www.suntimes.com/news/transpo...side30.article



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Old September 7th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #59
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The allowed speed there is about 40 for the trains . There is a video on youtube about such a line, I will look it up for you guys.
wow, please find it! i would expect it to be n Gyekényés - Barcs railroad, but there also some serious trains pass, and i haven't seen Bzmots there, so it probably is not there
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I like the signs above the street warning about the overhead wire at those Belgian crossings.

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