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Old October 30th, 2010, 05:22 PM   #61
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2 bridges options where suggest :



What bridge wasn't choose :



Why tunnel was choose :

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We are at the "phase 0" :

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Planning

Phase 0 : reconnaissance galery which will be rescue galery

Phase 1 : Tunnel Ouest

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Old October 31st, 2010, 01:45 AM   #67
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I really really really hope this will be constructed, as every project that benefits mankind is a positive in my view. However, when the Channel Tunnel was build it made sense economically to a certain extent. It was linking the two biggest European cities, with massive trade and movement between them, especially people who worked in the financial and business sectors. Yet, it has been a project marred by financial difficulties.

Now let's put this in context. The Gibraltar Tunnel will be much more difficult to build, which means much more expensive. Yet, the number of people and the economic activity, to my knowledge, is nothing like the one between Paris and London. So the two countries involved, Spain and Morocco will be required to do some heavy, really heavy, subsidizing for this project. I am not sure if they can to begin with, and in the case of Spain even if they are that interested (clearly Morocco is the one with more to gain by this project so they will be more interested as well).
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If this is ever built (and this is a big if) it will be a nightmare to manage the
immigration control. Seeing how difficult it has already been to control
illegal immigration at the french channel tunnel entrance, and the already existing nightmare with the spanish enclaves...
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Old October 31st, 2010, 02:31 AM   #69
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I really really really hope this will be constructed, as every project that benefits mankind is a positive in my view. However, when the Channel Tunnel was build it made sense economically to a certain extent. It was linking the two biggest European cities, with massive trade and movement between them, especially people who worked in the financial and business sectors. Yet, it has been a project marred by financial difficulties.

Now let's put this in context. The Gibraltar Tunnel will be much more difficult to build, which means much more expensive. Yet, the number of people and the economic activity, to my knowledge, is nothing like the one between Paris and London. So the two countries involved, Spain and Morocco will be required to do some heavy, really heavy, subsidizing for this project. I am not sure if they can to begin with, and in the case of Spain even if they are that interested (clearly Morocco is the one with more to gain by this project so they will be more interested as well).
We can consider that tunnel works began, because experimental galery of Tarifa will be the rescue galery.

More seriously, the project has 30 years old. It began in 1979. It's not something new. A lot of people, consider it like a joke, but a hard work have been made.

Considering the costs, it will be different than Eurotunnel, because the project is in 3 phases :
Phase 0- rescue gallery for 600 millons euros
Phase 1- West tube for 3,4 billions euros (1st projection)
Phase 2- East tube when traffic will be more important

Eurotunnel was directly made with tubes. Here is 2. The project will be support by private money, so a development by phase will be more attractive.

Don't forget, that project will be ready between 2026 and 2030. Since this date, a lots of works will be made in North Africa, including the finish of 1500km HSL in Morocco and also Algeria, Tunisia and Lybia HST network (and opened borders).

The project will help the Agadir-Laayoune-Mauritania-Senegal railway for connecting North Africa and South Sahara (also Algiers-Tamanraset-Niamey project).

Wait and see
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I think this has to be seen in the bigger African trade context, not just Morocco. There is a very large amount of food product exported from West Africa to the EU, a lot of which is flown across. That could be coming by rail.
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That could be coming by rail.
There is no railway network in Africa outside Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, plus something under construction along the northern coast (and South Africa on the other tip of the continent), don't forget that.
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There is no railway network in Africa outside Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, plus something under construction along the northern coast (and South Africa on the other tip of the continent), don't forget that.
Lybia is working to connect Tunisia and Egypt !


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Posted on 21 September 2010

Libya is optimistic that the new standard gauge line currently under construction from Benghazi to the country’s western border at Rass Ajder will be extended eventually to connect with Société Nationale des Chemins de Fer Tunisiens (SNCFT – the Tunisian National Railways). This would entail building some 170km of route inside Tunisia to reach the present railhead at Gabes. Unfortunately the existing 422km line from Gabes to the capital – Tunis – is metre gauge, so through services will not be possible. Some of the 268km Tunis-Sfax section has been realigned and the 3-hour expresses are reputedly the fastest metre gauge trains in the world.

On Libya’s east, a 350km extension of the new standard gauge line is planned to Tobruk from Benghazi. Beyond Tobruk, the formation of a long abandoned (World War II) standard gauge railway extends some 140km to Egypt’s western border at El Soloum, endpoint of a 560km line from Cairo
http://www.railwaysafrica.com/blog/2...ks-from-libya/

On va finir avec un HST Casa-Tripoli voir Le Caire.

Le problème c'est le réseau tunisien qui est en voie métrique. Mais Tunis-Sfax est desservi par le train métrique le plus rapide du monde.
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ANSALDO TO SIGNAL LIBYA


Posted on 20 August 2010

A consortium of Finmeccanica companies Ansaldo STS and Selex Communications has received a €247 million contract from Russian Railways subsidiary Zarubezhstroyteknologiya to provide signalling, automation, telecommunications, power supply, security, and ticketing systems for Libya’s 551km Surt-Benghazi line.

Ansaldo STS leads the consortium with an 81.8% share, which equates to around €202 million, and includes the installation of the European Rail Traffic Management System (ERTMS), interlockings, trackside equipment, the control centre, and power supplies. The work covered by the contract will take around three years to complete.

The 551km Surt – Benghazi section is the first phase of a line that will stretch along the length of Libya’s Mediterranean coast from Tunisia to Egypt. The line will initially use diesel locomotives operating at up to 160km/h, although it will later switch to electric traction with a maximum operating speed of 250km/h. China Railway Construction is building the adjoining 352km Surt-Misratah-Al Khums section and the 172km western stretch of the line between Tripoli and the Tunisian border at Ras Adjir.

Last year Ansaldo STS was awarded the signalling, telecommunications, and power supply contract for both sections, as well as the 992km inland branch from Al Hishah to Waddan and Sabha
http://www.railwaysafrica.com/blog/2...-signal-libya/

Phase 1 : train diesel à 160 km/h
Phase 2 : électrification et passage à 250km/h avec le système ERMTS déjà installé.

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FIRST 14KM OF LINE IN LIBYA


Posted on 26 March 2010

Rossiiskie Zheleznie Dorogi (RZhD – the Russian State Railway), which is building the new railway along Libya’s Mediterranean coast, has announced the completion of the first 14km. President Vladimir Yakunin visited the construction sites on 14 March where he met Libyan Railways chairman Said Mohammed Rashid. The €2·2 billion contract, signed in April 2008, currently employs 438 people on construction work, which is expected to take four years. In all, it is expected that a total of 3,500 local and Russian workers will help build the line.

Initially trains are to run at 160km/h, but the double track alignment makes provision for electrification, to allow running at 250km/h eventually. According to RZD the project includes the building of 1,000 structures, including 30 rail and 23 road bridges, and six major and 24 minor stations.
The China Railway Construction Corporation holds separate contracts in Libya, covering the 625km of route westwards from Surt to Al Khums, Tripoli and Ras Ejder on the Tunisian border, and an 800km line southwards from Misratah to iron ore deposits inland near Sabha.
http://www.railwaysafrica.com/blog/2...line-in-libya/

Les chinois, les russes et les italiens (matériel roulant) ont tous raflés.

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Libyan Railways is building a high speed railway between Benghazi and Tripoli. The project is divided into 2 in Sirte. Tripoli - Sirte is being build by China Railways and Sirt - Benghazi by Russian Railways. I believe a topic for this big project should be listed in this forum.

For a subsaharien connection is someting else. But, if the tunnel is maid, it will encourage a pan-african railway network wich will look like highway Nepad development.

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I hope so, but I'm pessimistic.
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Spain and Morocco agree to rail tunnel under Gibraltar strait


By Vicky Short
5 January 2004

The governments of Spain and Morocco have taken a further step towards the building of a rail tunnel that will connect Europe and Africa, in what will be a historic technological feat. The Spanish Minister of Development Francisco Alvarez Cascos was quoted in Arabic News.com as stating that this tunnel will be “in the 21st century what the Suez Canal was in the 19th century and what the Panama Canal was in the 20th century.” By the time such a tunnel is in place a continuous rail link between the north of Scotland and Africa would be possible.

The agreement signed by Cascos and Moroccan Minister of Equipment and Transport Karim Ghellab is for a programme of engineering tests and studies and it is believed that digging under the strait could begin in five years time. According to the Spanish Transport Minister 27 million euros will be invested in this preliminary stage of geological survey by each of the two countries over the next three years.

It is thought that the tunnel will be 24 miles long, of which 17 miles will lie under the narrow and turbulent waters of the strait that connects the Atlantic Ocean and the Mediterranean Sea. It will descend between 100 and 300 metres under the sea. The most suitable route has initially been established as that between Punta Paloma, 40 kilometres west of Gibraltar, and Punta Malabata, near the Moroccan city of Tangiers. A shorter route to the east that would be only about 12 miles has been dismissed, as it would require boring 900 metres below sea level. The final route and depth will be decided only after detailed geological studies.

The tunnel will be made up of two rail tunnels and one service tunnel in the middle connecting the two, similar to the Channel Tunnel running between Britain and France. The service tunnel will be the first to be built and work could begin in 2008. Spain has already bored an experimental tunnel 560 metres long. Core samples of the rock beneath the strait will be taken in order to develop a picture of its geology. A similar experiment on the Moroccan side was sunk to 300 metres.

A joint committee was set up at the beginning of December between the two nations, which approved the 2004-2006 action plan and the budget of 27 million euros. Estimates of the final cost of the tunnel vary between three and 10 billion euros. Morocco and Spain will seek financial assistance from the European Union for research and infrastructure.

The project to build a rail tunnel linking Europe and Africa was first discussed between Spain and Morocco in the 1980s and several meetings have taken place since, some under the auspices of the United Nations. The linking of the two continents would be a major achievement that would enable the development of communications, trade and cooperation to an unprecedented level. However, this is not a project intended to benefit humanity: it is a commercial enterprise. As such, all manner of new conflicts between the nations involved and those who will want to be involved will emerge, particularly over control of the Arab Magreb, a union of Morocco, Tunisia, Libya, Mauritania and Algeria, by the European countries.

Tensions between Spain and Morocco have a long history, particularly over the sovereignty of Western Sahara, a Spanish former colony, which Morocco annexed in 1975. Morocco accuses Spain of supporting the Polisario Front independence movement and it is blocking the UN from approving Morocco’s claim to sovereignty. Morocco insists on the principle of territorial integrity, while Spain supports a referendum on self-determination.

These tensions have intensified in the last few years, with continuing disputes about immigration, farming and the sovereignty of the two Spanish enclaves on African soil, Ceuta and Melilla, as well as some small islands. Just a year and a half ago there was an armed exchange when Spanish marines forcibly evicted some Moroccan soldiers from the island of Perejil, which both countries claim. Diplomatic relations came to a halt when Spain withdrew its ambassador and then Morocco withdrew its ambassador.

In addition Spain wants to prospect for oil in the waters between Morocco’s Atlantic coast and the Spanish Canary Islands. Spain also blames Morocco for the collapse of the European Union Agreement that allowed Spain to fish in Morocco’s rich waters.

The two countries have made an effort to improve their relations. Some weeks ago a Spain-Morocco summit took place in Marraquech, which was attended by a delegation from Spain headed by Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar. The summit reached what was described as “the biggest economic cooperation agreement in Spain’s history”. Spain provided $476 million, $279 million of which will be used to finance projects by Spanish companies. Spain is the second biggest market for Morocco’s exports after France and its second biggest investor.

Two other agreements were signed concerning employment and the reestablishment of cultural relations. This was followed this month by an agreement on joint patrols against illegal immigrants and for Spain’s right to deport hundreds of unaccompanied minors held in detention centres back to Morocco, as well as cooperation against terrorism.

Already rightist forces are beginning to air their opposition to the tunnel, spreading fears of Spain being overtaken by “illegal immigrants”, citing Britain’s problems over the Channel Tunnel. It is believed that half a million people attempt to cross the strait every year into Spain as a route to the rest of Europe. Many of them drown when the small badly constructed boats capsize.

Additionally, racist objections are voiced about the danger of Spain being invaded by terrorists, as the tunnel will connect directly with a Muslim country.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/ja...tunn-j05.shtml

A retenir :
- 300m creusés côté marocain / 300m dig from Morocco
- 560m creusés côté espagnol / 560m dig from Spain
- coût estimé entre 3 et 10 milliards d'euros / between 3 & 10 billions euros

Le tunnel sous la manche a coûté 4,6 milliards d'euros pour 50,5 km dont 37km sous la mer.

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Tunnel sous la Manche

Longueur : 50,5 km.
Durée des travaux : six ans
Coût des travaux : 4,6 milliards d’euros.
Vitesse moyenne de construction : 23 mètres par jour.
Coût du mètre : 91 089 euros.
http://www.ps83.fr/TOULON-Le-Tunnel-le-plus-cher-du

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La longeur entre les puits est de 28 100m.

300m ont été creusés côté marocain et 560m côté espagnol.

3,06 % de la distance (entre les puits) a déjà été creusé./ 3,06% of distance has been dig.
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