RIO DE JANEIRO - Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho / Estádio do Maracanã (85,000) - 2014 FIFA WC

[Jim856796]

No, it is not. I refuse to acknowledge that cheap idea. The Maracana's tiers are supposed to be separate and must be kept that way. If not, my thoughts are "Oh my God, are we gonna mess up the Mario Filho stadium for sure!".

[Chimbanha]

So there should also be no seats and roof, since it's how the stadium was originally conceived?

[rafamlopes]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

No, it is not. I refuse to acknowledge that cheap idea. The Maracana's tiers are supposed to be separate and must be kept that way. If not, my thoughts are "Oh my God, are we gonna mess up the Mario Filho stadium for sure!".

It´s easier to change your mind than to change the project, so u better accept it
you also need to accept the fact that Maracana will host the oppening ceremony in 2016.

[Jim856796]

I don't want to. is that the final design or not. If Maracana hosts Olympic ceremonies, it must stage athletics as well.

[broncoempire]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

I don't want to. is that the final design or not. If Maracana hosts Olympic ceremonies, it must stage athletics as well.

Except that it won't. If the Olympic Movement can survive having their opening and closing ceremonies held indoors in a dome this past year, certainly it can survive having athletics and the ceremonies in different venues. Times are a changing and it's just something we're all going to have to deal with. Trust me, you'll do fine.

[dfwabel]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

I don't want to. is that the final design or not. If Maracana hosts Olympic ceremonies, it must stage athletics as well.

Jim856796, I hate to inform you, but you are not and will never be the Lord of Sport.

Give it up and live with what nations or private industry want to pay for. If you get YOUR money...then I will accept YOUR "we", "us", "your", "our" talk about architecture.

FYI, after reading all your comments, are you a licensed architect (or even engineer) anywhere in the globe? I them may take your thoughts with more thought, but not as serious.

[JuninhoMoraisPE]

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[Cobucci]

Originally Posted by Luke80

This is gash. They may as well put a track round the pitch for the difference it would make!

There is no sufficient area.

Originally Posted by delija90

I don't like the colour and tipe of the seats but that could be changed.

Demolition of the first tier and connecting a new one with the secound tier is the only logical and in my opinion an excellent solution.

All seats will be retractile, not like the images.

[Blog Carioca]

Vai ficar muito lindo, o velho maraca merece !

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Abraços,

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[miguelon]

love it!!!!

[Jim856796]

Originally Posted by broncoempire

Except that it won't. If the Olympic Movement can survive having their opening and closing ceremonies held indoors in a dome this past year, certainly it can survive having athletics and the ceremonies in different venues. Times are a changing and it's just something we're all going to have to deal with. Trust me, you'll do fine.

That was the Winter Olympics, it is the Summer Olympics. What if we had a dome on the ceremonies/track and field stadium? That would be different. But I am afraid that having ceremonies and athletics at ceparate venues can be considered a slap in the face of the Olympic movement, and because of this, I have contemplated a moving of the Olympic ceremonies to the Joao Havelange Stadium, but recently, I have begun to think about letting the ceremonies remain at Maracana and moving the athletics events there, In order to accommodate a track, retractable seating should be installed in the lower tier. It should be done if the Mario Filho wants to be in the Olympic Stadium lineage. Otherwise, the ceremonies (and the Olympics in particular) will be considered a disaster and will go down as the absolute worst of all time.

But about the renderings, is that the final design of the reconstructed Mario Filho Stadium or not? Why did this question go unanswered.

[broncoempire]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

That was the Winter Olympics, it is the Summer Olympics. What if we had a dome on the ceremonies/track and field stadium? That would be different. But I am afraid that having ceremonies and athletics at ceparate venues can be considered a slap in the face of the Olympic movement, and because of this, I have contemplated a moving of the Olympic ceremonies to the Joao Havelange Stadium, but recently, I have begun to think about letting the ceremonies remain at Maracana and moving the athletics events there, In order to accommodate a track, retractable seating should be installed in the lower tier.

How benevolent of you. It's just too bad I'm guessing you aren't working for either the Rio organizing committee, the IOC, or the various construction agencies doing the work. Sooner or later, whether you like it or not, you're going to have accept the fact that this is what they sold the IOC on, and they were more than happy to accept it. This purported idea of a "slap in the face to the Olympic Movement" you speak of only exists in the minds of a few. For someone who claims to be such a fan of sustainable development and "no white elephants" your positions are in contrast with that thinking.

[_doc_]

...Love it! It is not boring like modern European rectangular stadiums and not round as it once used to be...Bowl Shaped without any running tracks...Just beautiful!

[Jim856796]

Originally Posted by broncoempire

How benevolent of you. It's just too bad I'm guessing you aren't working for either the Rio organizing committee, the IOC, or the various construction agencies doing the work. Sooner or later, whether you like it or not, you're going to have accept the fact that this is what they sold the IOC on, and they were more than happy to accept it. This purported idea of a "slap in the face to the Olympic Movement" you speak of only exists in the minds of a few. For someone who claims to be such a fan of sustainable development and "no white elephants" your positions are in contrast with that thinking.

IOC should have not have accepted the idea, they're gonna regret this sooner than later. I am not and never will be in favour of that idea. What I am in favour of however, is putting an athletics track on the Mario Filho Stadium.

[broncoempire]

You can be in favor of whatever you want, but in the end it doesn't matter, and it's too late. The Maracanã is going to host the ceremonies and that's pretty much the end of the argument. We should all be grateful that in the end it is being renovated into what it is: a beautiful and modern facility that pays homage to it's past heritage and will be used for the better part of the next century.

[Jim856796]

Maracana should host ceremonies after all. Now I am going to push for the track and field events to be moved from the Joao Havelange Stadium to the Mario Filho. Joao can be used as a secondary venue for football. A warmup athletics track is located to the west of the stadium.

The profile of the reconstructed Mario Filho Stadium should be like this: Lower tier, single floor of luxury boxes, upper tier, pressbox.

[Calvin W]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

Maracana should host ceremonies after all. Now I am going to push for the track and field events to be moved from the Joao Havelange Stadium to the Mario Filho. Joao can be used as a secondary venue for football. A warmup athletics track is located to the west of the stadium.

The profile of the reconstructed Mario Filho Stadium should be like this: Lower tier, single floor of luxury boxes, upper tier, pressbox.

So gracious of you to accept the opening ceremonies at Maracana, to bad you have no influence on anything stadiumwise.

Good luck in trying to change anyone's minds to your view. May it be an ever losing battle for you.

[Jim856796]

Still no (proper) final design for the refurbished Maracana Stadium. If the Mario Filho were to accommodate an athletics track (which I am still considering), retractable seating should be applied to the lower tier. This must be done in order for the Mario Filho Stadium to be on the Olympic Stadium lineage. Only if the track and field (and probably the Marathon finish as well) is moved to Maracana, I will cease trashing the idea of the Mario Filho hosting Olympic Ceremonies.

The main stadium burden lies on the Mario Filho Stadium now, not the Joao havelange Stadium.

[rafamlopes]

This is not gonna happen. The olympic plan has already been approved and won´t be changed.

[Jim856796]

Well, then, RdJ is not going to be a good Olympic city, then, if they don't know what an Olympic Stadium is. Separate stadiums for athletics and ceremonies, no matter where the Summer Olympics are held, is a bad plan and should not have been approved in the first place. I mean, what if some international megastar protests this decision? If it goes ahead as planned, he might never visit Brazil again. So I am going to make up a better plan for a Maracana Olympic Stadium, its lower tier will be like the Stade de France, with a movable stand which can be retracted to uncover part of an athletics track. The retractable stand can be used for Olympic Ceremonies as well. If that were done, the RdJ might not have such a bad Summer Olympics, even if it meant getting the athletics off of the Engenhao and replacing it with more football matches in Rio.

And that athletics in Maracana stipulation goes for the Paralympics, also.