RIO DE JANEIRO - Estádio Jornalista Mário Filho / Estádio do Maracanã (85,000) - 2014 FIFA WC

[Jim856796]

Originally Posted by Athinaios

I totally agree, wouldn't be easier to make brand new tiers and what's more important - make them more steepy and dig more into the ground?

I wish the 2nd tier should remained oval, but steeper. 1st tier should be more rectangular (for example like in Cape Town Stadium) of course the pitch lowered a lot. Between them a small tier of skyboxes.
I made a quick model of my idea:



1st tier ~35000, 2nd ~60000 total: 95000



^ I erased a piece of roof to show how it could look.

what do you think about it?

Wish the two tiers were of the same curvature, but apart from thst, this idea is acceptable It allows the stadium to retain its characteristic look while adding new features to its interior... and exterior as well.

[rafamlopes]

Originally Posted by Athinaios

thanks well, actually I made the 2nd tier steeper, so there won't be any blind spot. That's why it makes me wonder why they don't want to tear down the whole 2nd tier and made it steeper and dig deeper into the pitch? I'd understand that if it's not possible to make (technical) or the cost for this would be too huge...

Is that official color seats pattern?
Looks weird

Thank you!

It is not official! But I would like to see something like that but i little bit smoother, maybe not so obvious, with gray's.

The pattern has not beem decided yet! I'm affraid it's going to be all boring red.

[Jim856796]

Well, then, this design should be made official, brother. The Mario Filho stadium may end up like that after its reconstruction. Also, we will have to wait until then to see the official seating pattern of the stadium.

[rsol2000]

[Jim856796]

More renderings of the reconstructed Mario Filho Stadium were posted at GamesBids.com and it appears that the seats may have a red colour.

[mestresplynter]

http://g1.globo.com/jornal-nacional/...a-reforma.html

a new video!

[Jim856796]

One question for Athinaios: There is a water table underneath the stadium, so the lowering of the playing area can be a problem.

[Athinaios]

Well, that's a problem, but I think it can be easily solved by adding this waterproof wall:



I don't know how you call this thing in English, but in Poland it is called "larseny"( maybe larsens in English?), they are used in foundation in our Stadion Narodowy as well.

I made a quick draw on how the problem could be solved:



Do you know how deep is the tablewater located under the stadium? However I don't know if our talk has any sense since we know that they have other plans to renovate Maracana....

[SVN2007]

Originally Posted by Evil78

A WorldCup final and a football-nation like Brazil would have deserved more than just a 82k stadium. They should have lowered the pitch or something and make a 100-110k stadium. We all have the Maracana in our memories, like the biggest football arena in the world, even if it was surpassed by a few other venues in the last decades. But now it will become an average, boring stadium. Even the South Africans managed to build a bigger stadium.
It's a pity... This WorldCup could have been the chance for the Maracana to regain it's glory...

I agree with you when you say that Brazil and WC FINAL deserve more than a just 82k. If this stadium would be enlarged to 100 k , it would be fantastic. However as we know, unfortunately it wouldn't be possible, once is not able to lower the pitch again. But about the World Cup final match, remember that in the last 6 World Cup Final matches, 4 of them were held in Stadiums smallers than the next Maracana's capacity of 82k.

1990 - Rome Olympic stadium - capacity 72k (*)
1994 - Rose Bowl - capacity 91k (*)
1998 - Stade de France - capacity 81k (*)
2002 - Intl Yokohama Stadium - capacity 72k (*)
2006 - Berlin Olympic Stadium - capacity 74k (*)
2010 - Soccer City - capacity - capacity 94k (*)

Source : Wikipedia

[crfamazonense]

Now it looks like they might have to either repair or completely reconstruct a new cover as the current one is deteriorating which could compromise the whole roof structure.
If the cover needs to be repaired or replaced then the project could cost up to 1 billion reais.

http://www.copa2014.org.br/noticias/...+1+BILHAO.html

[joshjordaan]

http://globoesporte.globo.com/futebo...-maracana.html

[skaP187]

Originally Posted by Athinaios

thanks well, actually I made the 2nd tier steeper, so there won't be any blind spot. That's why it makes me wonder why they don't want to tear down the whole 2nd tier and made it steeper and dig deeper into the pitch? I'd understand that if it's not possible to make (technical) or the cost for this would be too huge...

Is that official color seats pattern?
Looks weird

Nice design. It respects the old shape of the stadium. I think what they are doing now is a waist of money. Might as well build a complete new stadium, because what they are building now has nothing to do with the old Maracaña. I think it would be cheaper too.

[Jim856796]

Is the dismantleing of the Mario Filho's upper tier to make space for the new boxes done or is there more to that job? Also, demolition of the roof has yet to begin.

[Cobucci]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

Is the dismantleing of the Mario Filho's upper tier to make space for the new boxes done or is there more to that job? Also, demolition of the roof has yet to begin.

The roof won't be demolished. It's part of the façade and all of it is under governmental trust.

[Jim856796]

The roof has to be fixed for its extension.

A way to maximise capacity of the Mario Filho Stadium would be to reduce the size of the pitch to 105 x 68 m and install some corporate boxes (one floor on one side and two on the other). But the Mario Filho looks like it is going to be smaller than 80k all-seater capacity.

[Jim856796]

Exclusive updates from the Brazil Forum:

Construction worker: Oh my god, we're gonna ruin the curvature of this stadium.

I would appreciate it if the stand of this stadium were not straightened like in the rendering. The entire lower tier was torn down, now they're going to tear down the ENTIRE upper tier as well?

[joshjordaan]

Originally Posted by Jim856796

Exclusive updates from the Brazil Forum:


Construction worker: Oh my god, we're gonna ruin the curvature of this stadium.

I would appreciate it if the stand of this stadium were not straightened like in the rendering. The entire lower tier was torn down, now they're going to tear down the ENTIRE upper tier as well?

no, as you can see where they have used a diamond cutter is where they are planning to renovate from, what remains currently of the upper tier will be left and used in the renovation.
what i don't understand is why they didnt tear the whole thing down and rebuild it exactly to how it is now (the shape) and then they wouldn't have a concrete roof, which is their main problem considering they are extending it. i'm not sure the current roof will be able to cope with the weight of the new extension.
and all fifa needs now is to have the roof collapse during the final.
and don't even get me started on the capacity, it should have been much much more, around 90000 would have been good.

[Jim856796]

How about the rectangular panels (?) in the old roof is stripped away, the supports will be left intact and strengthened, and the new roof is built?

And when will the demolition phase be complete? Then the stadium's shell in that state wll have to be cleaned up.

[imbee]

Pele fears Brazil embarrassment over World Cup delays


SAO PAULO – Pele says Brazil risks embarrassment if preparations to host the 2014 World Cup do not get up to speed soon.

Brazil's greatest footballer said he was most concerned about delays in building or improving stadiums and modernizing the country's "frightening" airport system.

"You know of the fight we had to get the (2016) Olympics and the World Cup, traveling around the world seeking votes and now a moment has come that is worrying everyone," Pele told a news conference on Friday.

"Brazil is running a great risk of embarrassing us in how it runs the World Cup, principally in communications. The airports are frightening and not just for Brazilians."

Pele said he spoke with directors of world soccer's governing body FIFA and also a group linked to European body UEFA's president Michel Platini, who also expressed concern over the pace of preparations in Brazil.

Most of the works for the World Cup are behind schedule and some of the stadiums have not even begun to be built as in the case of first division club Corinthians, chosen by Sao Paulo city as its match venue.

"Brazil has the obligation to stage a good World Cup, a good administration, and sadly it's already behind and has this controversy of Sao Paulo," the 70-year-old Pele said.

"The Paulista championship is the core of Brazilian football, it's what should already be settled and it still isn't settled."

Sao Paulo will stage the tournament's opening match, according to the organizing committee, but it is unclear how Corinthians will enlarge their stadium to the 60,000-capacity required by FIFA. Work is supposed to start next month.

Apart from the stadiums, infrastructure improvements are also required, especially to the inadequate airports.

In Brazil, air terminals are close to saturation point and Sports Minister Orlando Silva has said that is a major obstacle ahead of the World Cup.


http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/02...rld-cup-delays

[Brigate Rossonere]

Omg I was just about to say that it looks like the Maracana.