Premier Inn | Dale Street / Lena Street | 11 fl

[GShutty]

Looking better with an all dark grey palette:

[Lookin Up]

I admire your positivity Gshutty but c'mon this is one of the worst new builds in Manchester and has ruined the flow of Dale St. Putting 'grey' panels over the last bits of bare concrete won't change that.
Looks like a soot blackened flour mill.

The guy in your photo can't even bear to look at it.

[Slow Burn]

Oh don't be so melodramatic. This hasn't ruined anything. It's a mid-rise inconsequential building on a relatively quiet street. Buildings such as this are found in every city all over the world

[jrb]

It's up to you.

A big fuck off mud hole with a steel frame in it. Or a building/hotel.

Given what was there before, I'll take this building any day of the week.

I know it shouldn't make a difference, but not once have I seen a piture of this building on a nice day, when the light is much better.

[Meadows]

at least it doesn't look like this

[jrb]

It is not alone. (it just needs a moat)



Hepworth, Wakefield gallery. Sterling Prize favourite.



Primary Substation for 2012 Olympics by NORD Architecture

[LongRipple]

Originally Posted by jrb

I know it shouldn't make a difference, but not once have I seen a piture of this building on a nice day, when the light is much better.

So we wait for the one sunny week we get in Manchester to be less offended by this horror?

NB. The Hepworth Gallery is a wonderful counterpoint to the red brick mills complex it positions itself next to, but it is the motion of the river and most obviously the amazing Weeping Willow trees alongside that softens the brutality of this style of architecture.

I can’t comment of the Primary Substation as I haven't seen it in context but I bet it isn’t situated within a supposed "Heritage Zone."

Originally Posted by Slow Burn

This hasn't ruined anything. It's a mid-rise inconsequential building on a relatively quiet street.

The Premier Inn still has a destructive visual presence from the Piccadilly side and it has most certainly ruined the vista of the Rossetti/Abode Hotel and the other Listed Buildings it sits amid.

If Dale St is a quiet street it is because the poor and cynical planning that accedes to this kind of cheap rubbish has failed to imagine it as link-way into the city. This street contains some of the finest (but ultimately neglected) buildings in the city that should be converted into a fabulous traffic-neutered neighbourhood with the best buildings converted into top end hotels, handy for Piccadilly Station and making a unique entrance into Manchester.

Let’s leave these cheap hotels on the periphery of the city where they belong, helping raise the land values of the Northern Quarter, encouraging the regeneration of this fabulous "lost" area that the supposed boom-years development rarely tackled.

[rolybling]

In short it's an abomination that should never have got built.

[jrb]

Originally Posted by LongRipple

So we wait for the one sunny week we get in Manchester to be less offended by this horror?

NB. The Hepworth Gallery is a wonderful counterpoint to the red brick mills complex it positions itself next to, but it is the motion of the river and most obviously the amazing Weeping Willow trees alongside that softens the brutality of this style of architecture.

I can’t comment of the Primary Substation as I haven't seen it in context but I bet it isn’t situated within a supposed "Heritage Zone."



The Premier Inn still has a destructive visual presence from the Piccadilly side and it has most certainly ruined the vista of the Rossetti/Abode Hotel and the other Listed Buildings it sits amid.

If Dale St is a quiet street it is because the poor and cynical planning that accedes to this kind of cheap rubbish has failed to imagine it as link-way into the city. This street contains some of the finest (but ultimately neglected) buildings in the city that should be converted into a fabulous traffic-neutered neighbourhood with the best buildings converted into top end hotels, handy for Piccadilly Station and making a unique entrance into Manchester.

Let’s leave these cheap hotels on the periphery of the city where they belong, helping raise the land values of the Northern Quarter, encouraging the regeneration of this fabulous "lost" area that the supposed boom-years development rarely tackled.

Oh Gowd, stop picking on me.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Where did I put my glass eye?

Everything looks better on a sunny day, nevermind on a sunny week.(if only God's own City got 7 days of continual sunshine)

If you don't like it fair enough, but it's not my style to lecture you.

I like. You don't. End of.

Brutal. Moat. Now where can I plant that tree to soften that......(go for it Mr Ripple!)

[jrb]

Originally Posted by rolybling

In short it's an abomination that should never have got built.

Enough said.

Everybody is allowed an opinion.

[rolybling]

Indeed they are jrb

[LongRipple]

Originally Posted by jrb

Oh Gowd, stop picking on me.

Have a different opinion, fine, but to me forums such as SCC are; a chance to share and elaborate on ideas and theory so that the failings of modern architecture might be challenged in a way that they evidently aren’t being done in the universities or beige discussion rooms of practicing modern architects. Granted it’ll make no difference to the corrupt process that builds this tat in the first place.

Saying “I like, you don’t” is hardly Confucianism.

As with many of my posts, I questioned the appropriate nature of this building when referenced against MCC’s “Heritage Status” of the area. Citing quality, stand-alone buildings as justification for the aesthetics of this building in relation to the rest of the street is to my mind worthy of asking you to defend your point.

There has been a movement to introduce this grey slate brick into the city (led by the likes of Stephenson Bell) that only exacerbates the darkness on rainy days that I don’t find appealing (I agree it can look good elsewhere). Whilst the use of red brick in Manchester was born out of function (not attracting the dirt and smog, etc) it does add certain warmth that this grey brick never can, as witnessed in the adjacent Rossetti Hotel.

More trees, as discussed infinitum, in Manchester would indeed help!

The weak short-termism of this kind of development won’t realise Manchester as the progressive modern city it should be and hasn’t done so since the 1960’s; I would reckon this is not merely a "subjective" opinion of many outside the entrenched architect’s profession.

[jrb]

Originally Posted by LongRipple

Have a different opinion, fine, but to me forums such as SCC are; a chance to share and elaborate on ideas and theory so that the failings of modern architecture might be challenged in a way that they evidently aren’t being done in the universities or beige discussion rooms of practicing modern architects. Granted it’ll make no difference to the corrupt process that builds this tat in the first place.

Saying “I like, you don’t” is hardly Confucianism.

As with many of my posts, I questioned the appropriate nature of this building when referenced against MCC’s “Heritage Status” of the area. Citing quality, stand-alone buildings as justification for the aesthetics of this building in relation to the rest of the street is to my mind worthy of asking you to defend your point.

There has been a movement to introduce this grey slate brick into the city (led by the likes of Stephenson Bell) that only exacerbates the darkness on rainy days that I don’t find appealing (I agree it can look good elsewhere). Whilst the use of red brick in Manchester was born out of function (not attracting the dirt and smog, etc) it does add certain warmth that this grey brick never can, as witnessed in the adjacent Rossetti Hotel.

More trees, as discussed infinitum, in Manchester would indeed help!

The weak short-termism of this kind of development won’t realise Manchester as the progressive modern city it should be and hasn’t done so since the 1960’s; I would reckon this is not merely a "subjective" opinion of many outside the entrenched architect’s profession.

Indeed you do Mr Ripple. And fair play to you Sir. If only I could be as expressive, genuine, forthright, clear, concise, and honest as you. I can't. So I won't try. Sorry.

It's there in my head, but when it reaches my finger tips and the keys on the keyboard, it turns into waffle status.

What I'm trying to say is......(oh Gowd this is going to be embarrassing)

I just like clean lines, plain colours, regardless of shade or tone, and...., sorry Hal did you say something? That's it! Monolith/ic architecture.(regardless of size or shape)



PS. I'm off the week after next, so I promise to get some pictures of it on a sunny day. Fingers crossed.

[flange]

[VDB]

It's not that bad.

[rolybling]

It's dreadful, the only good thing about this building is the extra foot fall it will bring to that end of Dale St.

[MancKnight]

[uklad1979]

Originally Posted by VDB

It's not that bad.

I agree and once something else has been built next to it and 111 Piccadilly of similar height it will be an ok small mass of buildings.

[Lookin Up]

Nah, sorry vile, just vile. The guilty ones must be punished.
TBF, that's quite a flattering photo.

Get down and see it in the flesh on a cloudy day.
Don't forget to take the anti-depressants, there's a Nero nearby to wash them down with.

[cream de la crem]

Where is this? Im trying to get my bearings. Next to Ancoats retail park or the Umbro studio? Its quite the despicable mark. Poor form from the council passing this on a once fantastic street.