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[samboy]

lol daytime TV is depressing. btw I hope you have your will and life insurance sorted as you never know when you'll drop dead.

[Dilaz89]

Totally agree with Mark McG. Rockingham beach has a heap more going for it than cottesloe. Only difference is that the bogans are poorer.

My poor car has been written off. I loved her so much and it broke my heart to see her being towed away. But it's time to move as it looks like I'll be buying a Eunos (Mazda) Mx-3 off a mate. Really fun car to drive and the engine is apparently the worlds smallest V6 (1.8L).

[Matt B]

Lack of any waves at all is an issue for me at Rockingham, but yeah it is a nice beachfront. Personally I'd rather spend a day at Cott myself. But Rockingham is good value for sure.

[Kelli]

Originally Posted by samboy

What if one day the sign told me 'no gays on this street'? does that make it equally valid?

Originally Posted by Nate Von Longneck II

BAM!

Point made, in a nutshell.

Take note, everyone who doesn't get this issue.

I still don't get it.

One person minding their own business not materially affecting anyone else versus someone in a hunk of metal traveling at speed with the potential to affect other peoples lives quite seriously?

[acc521]

[Kelli]

Originally Posted by samboy

In the scheme of things kelli, it's really not a big deal on its own. I've been driving/riding for over 20 years and have only had one 6-7k over the limit ticket during that entire time so it doesn't keep me up at night. However it's just another irritating initiative that's just an insult to a regular person's intelligence. Another nail in the coffin in nanny statehood.

I know you tend to look at things from a psychological perspective so in that respect you may find that as a MALE person (who generally tend to voice their dissatisfaction a lot more than females in this context) we would accept this sort of bshit a lot better if they came out and said something along the lines of shit happens, this the is LAW, don't speed so you won't get fined. I'll be somewhat angry for a very short time and get over it as I can rationalise it in my head. What annoys the shit out of me (and others I'm sure) is the patronising rubbish they spread about them actually doing us a favor by saving lives etc etc.

I personally think that the male brain finds it easier to accept something that's not fair vs something that's not true.

I'm not sure where to begin, lol, too scared to open a can of worms. That view you outline as male is the same view I have when witnessing how environmental legislation plays out. I don't see the problem as being a 'nanny state' though.

[acc521]

I suppose the people under the thumb of repressed regimes around the world shouldn't stand up against these regimes because it's against the law? I suppose when Murabak made public protests illegal everyone should have left Tahir square and gone home because it was illegal?

Of course it's not exactly like for like, but the principal is the same.

[Kelli]

I don't see it as equivalent, sorry. Perhaps if we'd been talking about some other legislation...

[pikopancho]

Since when was enforcing the rules of the road the act of a repressive government?

[acc521]

[crave]

what these guys are saying is that they don't like being told by govt that speed cameras are used to save lives on tha road...

becos they don't agree that speed cameras save lives on tha road, they don't believe they should adhere to tha speed limit and that a speed sign is nothing more than an indicative speed people should be driving at...

[Kelli]

Gavel practice .

Acc, you must have a different perspective to most of us, how do you see laws then?

[BartBart]

Originally Posted by Dilaz89

Totally agree with Mark McG. Rockingham beach has a heap more going for it than cottesloe. Only difference is that the bogans are poorer.

My poor car has been written off. I loved her so much and it broke my heart to see her being towed away. But it's time to move as it looks like I'll be buying a Eunos (Mazda) Mx-3 off a mate. Really fun car to drive and the engine is apparently the worlds smallest V6 (1.8L).

Hope you got all your personal things out of it first!

re: speed limits - if the police and politicians should be honest and just say something like:

"We are targetting speed more than anything else because it raises more money and is the easiest thing to measure. There are plenty of other things we could target because they will be more effective in saving lives but they are harder to implement because they actually cost money and are hard to measure. And to be honest we don't care that only some of the money raised by the cameras go back to saving lives. We will primarily put the cameras where there is the highest revenue rates, not necessarily where lives will be saved. So deal with it."

The charade of it all is what shits me. Don't pretend that saving lives is the driving factor in the speed camera use. Don't pretend that speed (as opposed to dangerous speed for the conditions) is the major factor in deaths. Tiredness, inattention, bad driving in general, not driving to the conditions, no seatbelts, cars in bad condition, etc. are what causes most deaths/bad injuries. If preventing deaths was the primary concern 60% of police resources on roads would be in the country regions where they occur. Easy option available = easy option taken.

(And for the record I have probably had 1 speeding infringement of less than 10km/h over the limit in the last 10 years or so)

[Matt B]

Originally Posted by crave

what these guys are saying is that they don't like being told by govt that speed cameras are used to save lives on tha road...

They are also saying that it makes WA an exemplar nanny state... I just don't get it as EVERYWHERE has speed limits and speed cameras. This is the bottom of the pyramid, not the straw that breaks the back.

[NZer]

I agree, the serial bullshitting is the part that sucks.
If speed cameras are so effective at changing driver behaviour, then why not place them in areas where it is most dangerous to speed.....instead of on roads designed for speeds of over 110km/h that have arbitrary limits of 100 or less?

[acc521]

I don't agree with a government implementing any laws for a given reason, and then claiming that those laws have been implemented for a certain reason, when they in fact have been implemented for another reason.

I don't agree with law that are implemented for political reasons, where every supposed justification is based on evidence that is shoddy and unfounded.

I don't like being patronised and treated like an idiot in life in general, be that by the government or anyone else.

[BartBart]

Prostitution laws, tough on crime laws and marijuana laws are similar. They are there to keep vocal lobby groups happy 1st and have little to do with whether they are good laws or not.

As far as traffic speeds go - the lowering of speed limits shows the ad hoc nature. Speeds generally 60km/h. Pedestrians, etc. dying - solution... drop speeds to 50km/h. Oh shit - pedestrians, etc. still dying. What to do, what to do? Drop speeds to 40km/h. I wonder what the next step will be? (obviously a rhetorical question as we will - my prediction - see permanent 30km/h speeds introduced somewhere in suburban Perth as a solution in the next 3 years ... assuming that it hasn't already been done)

[Dilaz89]

Oxford St, Leedy is 30km/h. I happen to agree with it though.

I refuse to do 50km/h on suburban feeder streets when they're clearly designed to be 60km/h.

[BartBart]

I wonder if the 40km/h signs on Beaufort St currently have the capacity to display 30km/h to help with the eventual changeover.

[bestofperth]

Maybe because them and the ones at school zones have different led spots/lights (if that makes sense)