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Old October 27th, 2010, 04:46 AM   #221
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Did I hurt your petty nationalist feelings by pointing out your contradictions? The troll wanting his contradictions not called out. What a joke.





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Old October 27th, 2010, 07:43 AM   #222
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The Chinese did a very good job on CRH380A and CRH380B. During the test runs, they loaded the trains up with all kinds of sophisticated equipments and every parameter was tested to be very safe.

The Chinese gained experience from the Europeans and came up with this indigenous effort, which should be congratulated.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 08:06 AM   #223
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I think he was talking about CRH380B.
In what universe was he talking about CRH380B?

This is your original reply to maldini, please let us know who you think was talking about CRH380B? maldini or greenlion?

you don't need to change the subject, just admit you were in such a hurry trolling here that you didn't even read their posts.

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According to IRJ, CRH380A is "China Designed" (of course it is )

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...g=content;col1

International Railway Journal, Sept, 2010
The International Railway Journal is a very respectable and credible source.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...3329bfba277511
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Although China holds the patents on the technology, design and equipment used by the CRH380 train, some in the industry question the degree to which China is justified in claiming the latest technology as its own.

"Everybody knows that a lot of the core technology is European," Michael Clausecker, director general of Unife, the Association of the European Rail Industry, said in a recent interview.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 11:17 AM   #224
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Regardless of who designed these trains, its now built in China, used by the Chinese people and will benefit their society as a whole. I really do hope they deploy more of these trains, especially around the Guangdong area.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 11:32 AM   #225
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Regardless of who designed these trains, its now built in China, used by the Chinese people and will benefit their society as a whole. I really do hope they deploy more of these trains, especially around the Guangdong area.
The only high-speed railway in Guangdong now is Guangzhou-Wuhan.

When is the due date of opening for high speed railways Guangzhou-Shenzhen? Shenzhen-Xiamen? Guangzhou-Zhuhai? Guangzhou-Nanning? Guangzhou-Zhenjiang?
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Old October 27th, 2010, 02:00 PM   #226
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Reading the last posts I can just state that our fellow Chinese members have a strange definition of discussion culture. On the other hand, where should such knowledge stem from?
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Old October 27th, 2010, 04:38 PM   #227
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The Chinese did a very good job on CRH380A and CRH380B. During the test runs, they loaded the trains up with all kinds of sophisticated equipments and every parameter was tested to be very safe.
Foreign train vendors also do that, except that they test for 3 years instead of 6 months like Chinese do.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 04:41 PM   #228
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In what universe was he talking about CRH380B?
Two out of three CRH380 models, B & C, are of European origin. Shinkansen derived A also has what appears to be bogie from Velaro.

This is why Michael Clausecker, director general of Unife, said CRH380's core technology of European origin and not of Chinese effort.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 04:43 PM   #229
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Did I hurt your petty nationalist feelings by pointing out your contradictions? The troll wanting his contradictions not called out. What a joke.





Above post is reported as trolling.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 05:23 PM   #230
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Another article on European view on CRH380

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9b60a40-d...dc0,s01=1.html

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Multinationals: Pie is growing, but foreigners’ share is shrinking
By Jamil Anderlini

Published: October 27 2010 10:45 | Last updated: October 27 2010 10:45

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One reason for the rising discontent in some western boardrooms is that many of the contracts companies such as GE, Siemens and BASF expected to get in China are now being snatched up by increasingly competitive and successful Chinese counterparts.

The Chinese rail industry provides a worrying case study for multinationals in many other industrial sectors.

The government has played European, Japanese and North American rail producers off against each other by holding out the promise of the world’s largest rail market in exchange for transfer of foreign technology which Chinese companies then “digest” and “rebrand”.

The multinational corporations have been shocked by how quickly China has emerged as a global competitor, using largely foreign technology to offer competing bids for high-speed rail contracts from Saudi Arabia to Brazil to California.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 06:25 PM   #231
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lol, I just watched that video(link), although it is somehow pointless(like you said that chopper is pretty slow anyway), it gives a good view of the running train from the above
That's a small ultra light helicopter and its top speed is probably the same as a Camry. On the other hand, the fastest conventional helicopter in the world, the G-Lynx, set a record of 401kph. So currently there is no helicopter in China that can compete with the CRH380A in a drag race.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 08:55 PM   #232
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lol indeed like a camry, guess that is the best chopper the TV station can afford.

anyway, found a few videos about the train on the opening day of Shanghai-Hangzhou HSR. Most are news reports, probably because passengers are still uploading their videos.

BBC Chinese


CCTV


Here is one taken by a passenger getting on the train at the intermediate Tongxiang Station. It is uploaded on youku.com, so it might be slow.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjE3ODAwMTcy.html
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Old October 27th, 2010, 09:33 PM   #233
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Another article on European view on CRH380

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9b60a40-d...dc0,s01=1.html
If your goverment did the same thing, would you have the urge to seek justice for those European and Japanese companies?

As a Chinese, I am happy that our government can have the finesse to deal with those companies. Those companies transferred their technology under contract, not under gunpoint.
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Old October 27th, 2010, 11:44 PM   #234
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Another article on European view on CRH380

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d9b60a40-d...dc0,s01=1.html
Does that mean the Japanese stole their train technology from the Europeans? You can't claim it was from Japan and then now it's European. Look at all that hypocrisy.
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Old October 28th, 2010, 12:44 AM   #235
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http://world.huanqiu.com/roll/2010-10/1204676.html

CCP newspaper Huanqiu is reporting that Japan's Sankei Shinbun declared CRH380A to be a Shanzhai Shinkansen. Chinese government is of course denying CRH380A being Shanzhai.

For non-Chinese readers, here is an English version.

http://justrecently.wordpress.com/

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The Japanese media are maliciously belittling the Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed railway (恶意贬低沪杭高铁), referring to it as a Shinkansen knock-off or shanzhai version (新干线山寨版) Huanqiu Shibao reports. The malicious Japanese media come in the shape of the Sankei Shimbun (产经新闻) as quoted by Huanqiu’s correspondent Wang Huan (王欢) today. According to Huan, Sankei Shimbun writes that the high-speed CRH380A train which takes passengers from Shanghai to Hangzhou (Zhejiang Province) within 45 minutes and was excessivley praised by the Chinese as “home-made” (中国人“标榜”新型CRH380A列车为“国产”), was in fact imitated from Japan in terms of technology and design (不论技术还是外形设计,都在“模仿”日本). While it was an investment for further economic growth within the Shanghai-Zhejiang region, it didn’t help to stop growing social disparities, Wang quotes the Japanese paper. Wang’s report contains two photos, one of the Shanghai-Hangzhou high-speed train (沪杭高铁), and one of the Shinkansen (新干线) respectively. The connection between Shanghai and Hangzhou was officially inaugurated on Tuesday.

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Old October 28th, 2010, 12:49 AM   #236
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As a Chinese, I am happy that our government can have the finesse to deal with those companies.
That's a short term gain at the expense of a long-term loss.

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Those companies transferred their technology under contract, not under gunpoint.
Yes, but the contract reads that transferred technology must be used only to license produce CRH models within China, all other use violates the term of license.

There is a deep misunderstanding among Chinese that licensed technology transfer means an unrestricted free use, or even an ownership of technology. That's not the case.
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Old October 28th, 2010, 02:11 AM   #237
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Just like invasion and slavery is liberation from Western colonialism as written in history books taught to students today?
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Old October 28th, 2010, 07:36 AM   #238
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CRH380BL picture, thanks to ourail poster yzbest007








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Old October 28th, 2010, 10:25 AM   #239
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What is that in the nose of the train? A debris-finding radar? Or just a spring to cushion low-speed collisions?
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Old October 28th, 2010, 10:32 AM   #240
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What is that in the nose of the train? A debris-finding radar? Or just a spring to cushion low-speed collisions?
Train coupler I believe. Does China plan to couple two 16 train sets?
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