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Old August 30th, 2006, 12:09 AM   #21
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very COOOOOOOOOOOL.
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Old September 4th, 2006, 07:57 AM   #22
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zergcerebrates, thanks for posting these photos as I didn't realise that the CRH was already being tested. However, it does seem strange that nobody really knows what line these CRH sets will be used on. Surely there is a line which has been upgraded or built to accomodate HSR? I would think Beijing to Shanghai makes sense but I understand that the line is a few years away from being built for HSR.
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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:37 AM   #23
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Hmmm wander when China will develop "their own version" of this Shinkansen...
This is China's own indigenous high speed system. It is not copied or bought from any other country. There was too much objection from the general public to buy the Japanese system. Even if they decided to buy, they would have bought the TGV system instead.

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Old September 7th, 2006, 10:56 AM   #24
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Well he meant what most westerners think....China can't built its own. Its sad really, as usual they'll aways assume that after the Chinese obtains the technology or somehow copies it they'll modify it and claim it as their own and sell it to other countries. China usually learns the technology they obtained whether its legally or illegally studies it, reverse engineer it then apply it as their own. Is it really stealing? Well its debatable. China invented paper, gunpowder, compass,etc. but they never patented it, everyone is basically using them and for those who took paper and further improved its quality should be considered copying? Is it really theirs? Take compass for example, the Chinese developed this technology, the Arabs and the Europeans copied it for thousands of years, made modifications and improved it, so who really owns this technology? Is it considered copied? China in this case is doing what they did. Shinkansen gave the technology to China they of course will modify it to suit Chinese taste so the end result who does this tech belong to?

Just look at the Maglev thread, China claims it develop its own without using foreign help, but all westerns believe they stole the know how from the Shanghai Maglev.

That's not true. China has never claimed that they developed the Shanghai Maglev. All the trains were made in Germany, and the Chinese built all the tracks and stations.
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Old September 9th, 2006, 05:15 PM   #25
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This is China's own indigenous high speed system. It is not copied or bought from any other country. There was too much objection from the general public to buy the Japanese system. Even if they decided to buy, they would have bought the TGV system instead.
What a pitifully ignorant boy!
What did China invent about E2?
This train is 100% Japan-made shinkansen. (These train were manufactured in Kobe by Kawasaki Heavy Industries and shipped to Qingdao from Kobe.)
Whether you like or not, fact is fact.
E2 stands for JR East's Type 2 Shinkansen series.
China only bought this old-type (2nd generation) Shinkansen from Japan Railway.
JR is currently testing the 5th generation Shinkansen, thus they decided to give China this old time technologies.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 10:55 AM   #26
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Does anyone know what is the status of "China Star" high speed train?
Is it actually used in China?
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
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Old September 10th, 2006, 11:01 AM   #27
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You sound like you invented Shinkansen and trying to insult an "inferior" country by giving them inferior products. Everyone, including the Chinese that you may believe are "brainwashed," knows about the latest trains in Japan.

Although I do not know why the E2 version was purchased, China can already make its own trains for that speed. It may be part of a research into EMU high-speed trains, which China currently does not produce (its trains are locomotive-driven like TGV or Eurostar).

Japan surely makes the most advanced trains, but it would shame their honourable engineers to try to take credit with this attitude. Hard work does not justify arrogance.

From pictures, it looks like China Star trains are on trial passenger services, available in Shenyang. It does not travel in passenger service at the 300 km/h testing speed.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:12 AM   #28
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You sound like you invented Shinkansen and trying to

From pictures, it looks like China Star trains are on trial passenger services, available in Shenyang. It does not travel in passenger service at the 300 km/h testing speed.
Do you have any more news on the China Star train? It is already in production or how does it compared with the Japanese Shinkasen bullet train?
I have read that the Rail Minister would like to use more Chinese designed high speed train so I wonder if there any news on Chinese high speed train such as the China Star.
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Old September 11th, 2006, 03:23 AM   #29
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Old September 25th, 2010, 06:04 PM   #30
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CHINA | High Speed Trainsets

Breaking News! the first CRH380B, CRH380B-6401L (L means 16 cars train), completed at CNR Tangshan factory by september 21 !

this picture made a mistake on train number, on the following video we can see the train number is CRH380B-6401L


here is a 12 minutes Video for the Official ceromony
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA4MDM0MTY4.html

Official name of CRH 380 series confirmed by this thread

http://www.hobbyshanghai.com.cn/view...d=35077&page=1

CRH380A, train No. 6001-6140 (140 trains in total) manufactuer by CSR Sifang Factory, 7 trains completed by september 26
CRH380B, train No.6201-6310 (110 train in total) manufacturer by CNR Changchun Factory
CRH380B, train No.6401-6470 (70 trains in total)manufacturer by CNR Tangshan Factory, 3 trains completed by September 21
CRH380C, train No.6601-6680 (80 trains in total)manufacturer by BST

September 24, CRH380A-6002 test run at Yuyao station, Huhang PDL




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Old September 25th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #31
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CRH380A looks great. I wonder how will CRH380C look.
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Old September 25th, 2010, 11:53 PM   #32
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16 cars? Cool. Now they can sell it back to Deutsche Bahn for the London services...

What's so special about this CRH380 family? Are they just running the previous trains 30km/h faster?
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Old September 26th, 2010, 12:29 AM   #33
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16 cars? Cool. Now they can sell it back to Deutsche Bahn for the London services...

What's so special about this CRH380 family? Are they just running the previous trains 30km/h faster?
It's not from Siemens. It's the Bombardier Zefiro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Zefiro
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Old September 26th, 2010, 03:55 AM   #34
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It's not from Siemens. It's the Bombardier Zefiro.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Zefiro
Zefiro 380 is named as CRH380C in China, the first CRH380C is scheduled to be completed at BST Sifang Factory by 2012
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Old September 26th, 2010, 05:14 AM   #35
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16 cars? Cool. Now they can sell it back to Deutsche Bahn for the London services...

What's so special about this CRH380 family? Are they just running the previous trains 30km/h faster?
they made some technical improvements, of course
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Old September 26th, 2010, 06:59 AM   #36
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16 cars? Cool. Now they can sell it back to Deutsche Bahn for the London services...
Three problems.

1. Too big to run on European railway.
2. UIC crashworthiness standard compliance.
3. IPR lawsuits.

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Old September 26th, 2010, 08:16 AM   #37
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CRH 380A Test Run on Zhengzhou-Xi'An PDL

http://www.youtube.com/v/uTYwFtIaKGs

http://www.youtube.com/v/ZuOL--GvSzE

http://www.youtube.com/v/P1fdgqPFV50

http://www.youtube.com/v/xhW7QmEJoN8

CRH 380A in Shanghai suburb
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA1OTU4OTQw.html

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA1OTU3NDQw.html

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMjA1OTU4MDYw.html
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Old September 26th, 2010, 08:26 AM   #38
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China high speed rail will be better than Europe

I know most European won't agree with me
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Old September 26th, 2010, 08:51 AM   #39
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16 cars? Cool. Now they can sell it back to Deutsche Bahn for the London services...

What's so special about this CRH380 family? Are they just running the previous trains 30km/h faster?
Look at the KTX1 at 00:48, there are 18 passengers coaches (+2 technical coaches).

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0:40 min : on voit 18 voitures entourées par 2 motrices ! Habituellement on voit 2 motrices encadrée 8 ou 9 voitures. A 6:02 min on voit un KTX2 entourant 8 voitures.
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Old September 26th, 2010, 02:13 PM   #40
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16 cars? Cool. Now they can sell it back to Deutsche Bahn for the London services...

What's so special about this CRH380 family? Are they just running the previous trains 30km/h faster?
Basically CRH380B is still a siemens design, the market price of CRH380BL is about 300 million RMB per train, (44.76 million USD), as technics are part of the deal between CNR & Siemens, at least half of the money goes to Siemen's pocket, the same to CRH380C, Bombardier hold 50% of the sales revenue.

But it is different to CRH380A, which is expected to export to the US by CSR, It's mainly designed by Chinese (of course some of the technics are from previously CRH2C, actually the first CRH380A test train which tested at Zhengxi PDL during may, 2010 was laterly named as CRH2-150 , it's a CRH2 in CRH380A skin) and Kawasaki did not share the sales revenue.
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