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Old December 7th, 2010, 10:56 AM   #541
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I did the whole Tibetan Rail thing last year, and i flew into Lanzhou and boarded the train, and from the people i met on the train, that was usually the case. besides, most people on holiday aren't going to care too much about speed. HSR is all about business travelers, and you have to agree that demand is a not as great on the Xi'an to Lanzhou compared to the rest of China.
As for the Tibet railway, the Xining–Golmud section is under renovation and set to open in 2012. Actually the work has been mostly completed except the 32.605-km long Guanjiao Tunnel, which will overtake Taihangshan Tunnel on Shitai PDL, to be the longest rail tunnel in China. The tunnel is located at 3323.58–3380.97 meters above sea level.

The new Xining–Golmud section will be a 160 km/h electrified double track line. CRH service is expected to run up to Golmud. It will be possible to finish the Beijing–Lhasa trip in 24 hours.

According to rumors, beginning from January 1, 2011, train T27 from Beijing to Lhasa will use the new TaiZhongYin line. Trip time will be cut by 3 to 4 hours.
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Old December 7th, 2010, 11:26 AM   #542
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According to rumors, beginning from January 1, 2011, train T27 from Beijing to Lhasa will use the new TaiZhongYin line. Trip time will be cut by 3 to 4 hours.
What is now the best trip time Bejing-Shijiazhuang-Zhengzhou-Xian-Baoji-Lanzhou?
What shall be the trip time Beijing-Shijiazhuang-Taiyuan-Yinchuang-Lanzhou?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 02:54 PM   #543
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As for the Tibet railway, the Xining–Golmud section is under renovation and set to open in 2012. Actually the work has been mostly completed except the 32.605-km long Guanjiao Tunnel, which will overtake Taihangshan Tunnel on Shitai PDL, to be the longest rail tunnel in China. The tunnel is located at 3323.58–3380.97 meters above sea level.

The new Xining–Golmud section will be a 160 km/h electrified double track line. CRH service is expected to run up to Golmud. It will be possible to finish the Beijing–Lhasa trip in 24 hours.

According to rumors, beginning from January 1, 2011, train T27 from Beijing to Lhasa will use the new TaiZhongYin line. Trip time will be cut by 3 to 4 hours.
Will Shanghai-Lhasa service see similar improvements to its trip time?
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Will Shanghai-Lhasa service see similar improvements to its trip time?
Not in January 2011.
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To my Chinese friends, please bring this tech to Africa. In South Africa we desperately need high-speed freight and passenger rail tech as well as massive nuclear tech to power these toys as coal power plants are killing our water resources.

We could buy the tech with real currency (ZAR), trade for massive resources or you could get some SA military tech such as advanced radar, missiles and attilery (sp?). Plus our govts are very friendly, I would love to see this tech in South Africa...
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Have CRH 380 from Tianjin to Beijing??

I will come to Tianjin in May 2011

Yes or Maybe or Nope??
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China is importing enormous amounts of coal, and will only increase those imports in the years to come. My guess it that most of these trains are powered by coal? since most Chinese electricity comes from coal power plants.

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Net imports should rise from (an estimated) 143 million tons in 2010 to 233 million tons in 2011. Demand surplus expands; and both domestic price and international price should rally," Citigroup said in a research report led by Scarlett Chen.
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To my Chinese friends, please bring this tech to Africa. In South Africa we desperately need high-speed freight and passenger rail tech
What are you building next after Gautrain?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 07:19 PM   #549
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China is importing enormous amounts of coal, and will only increase those imports in the years to come. My guess it that most of these trains are powered by coal? since most Chinese electricity comes from coal power plants.



http://www0.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchi...t_11635580.htm
If you are implying these trains are "bad" for the environment then you need more reading. Bombardier's marketing words are a little bit cheesy but sums up it pretty well: "Fastest way to save environment."

Or are you implying high speed trains should use diesel engines?

Or do you have a better solution for passenger traffic?
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Old December 7th, 2010, 10:47 PM   #550
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Even if everyone of these trains are powered by electricity from coal, they would still be more environmentally friendly than having 100X more cars on the road or even increased plane traffic.
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Old December 8th, 2010, 04:03 AM   #551
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China is importing enormous amounts of coal, and will only increase those imports in the years to come. My guess it that most of these trains are powered by coal? since most Chinese electricity comes from coal power plants.


To make things more precise. The CRH trains are powered by electricity. The source of that electricity comes from Coal, Hydro, and Nuclear plants. Just as jets use Kerosene to power themselves you don't say they are powered by Crude oil do you?
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I guess overhead lines you meant here is pantograph contact with overhead line, i am curious as well how pantograph is designed given huge friction generated at high speed, and this friction is not rolling friction like wheel. I did a little bit research, only found that pantograph contact carbon strip in existing market can only sustain for 300+ kmh.
Wire - Pantograph is fine tuned to some teoreticall speed limits because catenary wire tends to bend/make waves as the train passes /i.e. pantograph contact)

The french pulled short of 600km/h on the speed test preciselly because the teoric limit of their catenary finetuning was 600km/h.


One must have a lot of variables in consideration ... as an (absurd) example ... running at 27000km/h the tangential acceleration from the earth's curvature is a much bigger problem than wheel-on-rail atrition.

Pantograph-wire contact have a maximum current limit of about 1500/2000A so this is indeed a big limiting factor as to how much powerfull a train can be and given athat wire capacity limits voltage to about 100KV we end up with a power capacity of about 50MW per train (considering only one pantograph)

And this brings us again to the waves in catenary wire ... wich are (together with braking issues) the single most important limiting factor in todays HSR planing.

As the pantograph hames contact with the wire it creates a wave in the front of the carbon contact ... the limit seems to be around 700km/h ... the funny thing is that with technological inovation it is "possible" to go beyond the wave and calmly reach speeds of 1000km/h or even more ...


I strongly continue to advocate mixed-mode high speed train travelling ... in mixed mode trains:

At low speeds they justr use current infraestructures (could even be subway/metro lines with 3rd rail pickup)
At intermediate speeds (150-250 hm/h) they would switch to acceleration sections (just like our current HSR routes)
At high speeds they would be using dedicated maglev* pathways to cross the greather gaps in distance.


* theres nothing forbiding a conventional HSR to use maglev technologies ... one just need s to apply the maglev technology to the current over-complex infraestructure of HSR ... or better yet ... replace the rubber wheels in maglev trains (Japanese stile) with steel ones (and thus making them compatible with the conventional rail network ... and in the process greatly simplificating marshaling of trains at stations ...

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How much diferent would be the infraestructure if they built the >200km/h sections with a U shaped maglev track ???

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Here is an interesting part of HSR overhead contact wire introduction by CHR 380 chief designer zhang shuguang (sorry for chinese)

解密高科技接触网助列车高速奔跑
  高铁列车不断挑战速度极限的一大制约因素,是如何确保列车高速运行中受电弓能持续不断从2.75万伏的高压导线中获取强大电流。
  时速350公里的持续运营状态下,列车受电弓以每秒100多米的惊人速度“刷”过接触网,因此接触网必须高度平顺,且导电性能绝佳,列车才能持续高速奔跑。否则受电过程有一点儿中断,列车速度就会立马下降。
  从京津城际到京沪高铁,中铁电气化局已经实现了高铁接触网系统从外方技术主导到完全自主化设计和施工的跨越。据透露,每段平均长度为1.4至1.6公里的接触网导线,架设过程中水平精度误差允许在0.1毫米以下,而京沪高铁的实际精度达到了0.03至0.05毫米的世界领先水平,这成为列车创造出486.1公里时速的重要保障。
  尤其引以为傲的是,昨日试验运行的先导段中,有70公里的接触网导线采用完全自主研发的铜合金高强高导材料,以高强度确保接触网平顺的同时,导电性能又极佳,成为京沪先导段的“秘密武器”,“和谐号”380A列车正是在这段区间加速冲刺创造了新的历史纪录。

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High-Speed Rail trains constantly challenging the limits of a major constraint is how to ensure high-speed train pantograph operation can be continued from the 27,500-volt high-voltage wire to get a strong current.
350 km per hour under continuous operation, the train pantograph more than 100 meters per second at an alarming rate, "brush" over the catenary, the catenary must be highly smooth and excellent conductivity, high-speed trains to continue running. Otherwise, the process a bit by the power interruption, the train speed will immediately drop.
From the Beijing-Tianjin inter-city to the Beijing-Shanghai High Speed Railway, China Railway Electrification Bureau has achieved high-speed rail catenary system from foreign technology led to a completely independent design and construction of the cross. It was revealed that the average length of each 1.4 to 1.6 kilometers catenary wire, set up to allow the process of horizontal accuracy of 0.1 mm below the error, but the actual accuracy of the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed rail reach from 0.03 to 0.05 mm of the world leading level, which became 486.1 km per hour trains to create an important protection.
In particular pride is the leading segment yesterday's test run, 70 km of catenary wires of full self-developed high strength and high conductivity copper alloy material, high strength to ensure the smooth catenary, while electrical conductivity and excellent as Beijing and Shanghai leading segment of the "secret weapon", "Harmony" 380A train is accelerated during this interval to create a new sprint record
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China's MOR should give proper credit to these international suppliers, which engineered and supplied some of the key components of CRH. This does diminish MOR's outstanding achievements in building a complete HSR system and network in China. This is not only fair, but is also beneficial to the healthy development of China's HSR industry, as well as dispels some of the doubts overseas about China's own contribution and technology capability.

I think the key leadership of MOR understands this. If you compare the major international HSR industry players. Alstom was out of the game from the beginning; they balked at MOR's request for technology transfer and JV. They had been very bitter and vocal at the beginning, but has become a lot quieter more recently. Some of the Japanese business leaders have been particularly bitter and accusatory, obviously due to the huge disappointment that China had simply leapfrogged and advanced so rapidly in HSR and didn't give the Japanese vendors as much opportunity as they originally expected.

Bombardier has been an active participant in Chinese rail transport market and has been the most cooperative with Chinese authorities. As such, they have been constantly awarded with deals after deals, the including the CRH380C contract. Germany is also an interesting case. Siemens has been quietly cooperating with MOR and played the role of key suppliers to MOR.

MOR has been explicit that they welcome foreign competition. The CRH380C contract with Bombardier is meant to maintain the competition to the Chinese rolling stock manufacturers and keep CSR and CNR honest.
For all purposes Bombarider in china is a chinese company ... or better yet ... a couple of companies.

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Old December 8th, 2010, 04:08 PM   #555
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But for at least the next 20-30 years the US will still be a military super-power that beats the chinese armed forces in no time.

And if the people of the US are stupid enough to vote for some tea-bagger idiot cause he said china's all mighty and dangerous and must be destroyed; oh boy, lemme tell you, you sure as hell got a problem.
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The misfortune is that Germany, France, Denmark, Sweden, Finland and Netherlands are too small to compete alone with China, India, Brazil, Russia and USA.

But it's certain that the north europeans are the best in the world, long long better than americans, russians, south americans or asians.

Siemens will eventually overtake the Chinese.
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I do realize that both of you are speaking the truth.
Thank you both for being frank and truthful.
Please do post more often about how much your country really hate China Big Time.

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NOTE: Northern European (outside Russia)

1) I hope more and more people in China is starting to realize these stats below (Especially plenty of those stupid China government officials ) --- that around 60% of Northern European hate China (China Government + China nationals).

2) The percentage is much higher in USA where -- 85% American general public are passionately hating China Big Time.
85% American general public are treating China (China Government + China nationals) as their Public Enemy #1.

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Let's be frank.
There is no need to pretend. The hate China PROOF are all over the place.
There is a high probability that by 2013, USA run by a Tea Bagger President and Congressman & Senators will attack China militarily.

Unfortunately plenty of civilian China government officials and majority of China General Public are quite blind toward this potential military danger coming from USA.
To majority of China General Public & plenty of China government officials, USA & Americans are a Beautiful Country (美国) and Beautiful people (美国人) to be worship. ---



That is why some China government officials & some CSR Sifang executives (plus some China Citizens) are insisting on giving away the China HST technology to the Americans for free. (Free = Zero Down Payment Financing and getting paid back in USD Toilet paper -- )


Some CSR Sifang executives (plus some China Citizens) are so happy that they are about to let Americans use & enjoy China HST technology.
They are so thankful -- just to get some stupid acknowledgment from GE and the Americans.

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I do realize that the European are much more peaceful than the Americans.

I do make a distinction that there are still many NICE Europeans and also a few Americans who are peaceful do not want to attack China by Military Forces.


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Back to the topic of HST:

China welcome all the fierce and strong competition in terms of Scientific and Technological breakthrough.
The more competition the better and the merrier.

We surely hope that Siemens, Bombardier, Kawasaki, Hitachi, and Alstom, Spain, Italy and many other HST nations enter the Scientific and Technological breakthrough race to overtake China.


Why -- Scientific and Technological breakthrough race??


1) Because -- China can NOT afford to be arrogant, complacent and backward again. Otherwise, again China will be humiliated and invaded and pillage by the west as in the past.


2) Because -- this Scientific and Technological race will benefit ALL humankind and allow us to go to the next frontier -- Space Exploration ASAP.




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1) I hope more and more people in China is starting to realize these stats below (Especially plenty of those stupid China government officials ) --- that around 60% of European passionately hate China (China Government + China nationals).

2) The percentage is much higher in USA where -- 85% American general public are passionately hating China Big Time.
85% American general public are treating China (China Government + China nationals) as their Public Enemy #1.
I'm going to stop you right here; I can guarantee these figures are made up. They are simply to high. It's a little easy to say 85 % percent of american public hates china. More precise would probably be to say that there is a large group of people that is highly sceptical to china and doesnt know what to think. So there is definitely potential that ultra-right-wing politicians can exploit if they start a big big campaign to discredit and demonize china.
I think, however, that this is unlikely, in the long term the tea-party will do more harm than good to the republican party and they will start to lose their political influence inside the party.
But this is not a thread of political discussions, so please keep this to a minimum, if you want me to make my points clear or make your points clear to me or whatever, a simple pm will do good.

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The more competition the better and the merrier.
Here I stronly agree with you. Competition always thrives developement and lowers cost, so that's definitely a good thing. Hopefully the Western HSR-Department will catch up in terms of cost or develop alternative solutions to stay competetive.

After all, we, the people, will benefit the most a scientific race as you call it.
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Guys,we have four types of crh380 now,
CRH380A/AL,CSR Sifang
CRH380B/BL,CNR Tangshan & CNR Changchun, in cooperation with siemens.
CRH380C, CNR Changchun, the new design disclosed at world HSR conference, as CRH380B-6201L,it will change to be CRH380C,will use HITACHI transformer and motors, of course transfered to chinese factories. 25 trainsets ordered.
CRH380D/DL , BST
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Hello everybody,

When China pretends they have run a train at 457km/h, was it on an unmodified train, and was that certified by an independent organism ? Otherwise, if their train was actually modified for speed (despite claiming the opposite), the record would be less impressive.

Thanks for clarifying the issue (I've noted that many Chinese tend to be patriotic, so it'd be great if we could avoid heated discussions )
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Pretends? That a bit presumptive. I'm not Chinese, but I can see why the Chinese tend to get patriotic when people phrase questions like that.

There is no reason to believe that China did not reach 475km/h. Especially considering there are lots of videos of it on youtube and to those with a brain roughly estimating the speed of the train is not hard. It was not modified apart from perhaps having more motored vehicles and less trailer vehicles. Meaning in normal configuration it would probably get to 425-450km/h.

And humans are the only organism on earth capable of certifying vehicle speeds, so the answer to that question is probably yes.

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1) I hope more and more people in China is starting to realize these stats below (Especially plenty of those stupid China government officials ) --- that around 60% of European passionately hate China (China Government + China nationals).
Nonsense. As far as I'm aware from living amongst europeans all my life, they mostly don't give a damn. Stop trying to create World War III, this is a thread about rail, not a vulnerable Franz Ferdinand.

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Guys,we have four types of crh380 now,
CRH380A/AL,CSR Sifang
CRH380B/BL,CNR Tangshan & CNR Changchun, in cooperation with siemens.
CRH380C, CNR Changchun, the new design disclosed at world HSR conference, as CRH380B-6201L,it will change to be CRH380C,will use HITACHI transformer and motors, of course transfered to chinese factories. 25 trainsets ordered.
CRH380D/DL , BST


1000 Thanks to greenlion for working so hard to keep us all up to date.


Bless the China Ministry of Railway & All China Engineers & Scientists for staying humble and willingness to continuously cooperate with other HST Nations, even though we have been able to achieve this 486 km/h breakthrough.

I am quite please that Bombardier, Siemens, Hitachi, Alstom are willing to cooperate and work together with China to achieve the next breakthrough in HST technology.


I hope all the other Japan Engineering Firms and Koreans are willing to cooperate and work together with China as well, now that they realize China has some HST tech goodies.

We can always learn a lot from Japan Engineering Firms in terms of (software) quality manufacturing & attention to details, user - friendliness, energy efficiency, Space Saving arrangements, the window & pull down curtain design, toilet arrangements, diner cars, sleeper cars, and many others.
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