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Old December 14th, 2010, 08:33 AM   #601
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Hi HyperMiler
it seem the CRH3 use the dual layers Shell Notice the centr of the picture

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Old December 14th, 2010, 10:59 AM   #602
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If you are trying to argue that both Siemens and Kawasaki invented every single nuts a bolts in their trains, then you better have some concrete evidence to show for it, because its quite a statement to claim two companies both invented everything since, and including the wheel, simultaneously.
LOL! No I am not trying to argue that.

OK, lets take this sloooooooowly.....

You are trying to argue that if a company was not first to invent something then it bought or stole the technology. I am pointing out that there is another possibility (NOTE POSSIBILITY - this does not mean that I am suggesting that it applies ubiquitously to every situation!!!) and the possibility is;

Another company researches and develops its own variant.

I won't be explaining myself for a fourth time. If you decide to put all sorts of words in my mouth again that I didn't say or imply or give any cause to, I'll just assume its time for your medication and that your carer will be along in a minute.
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Old December 14th, 2010, 04:22 PM   #603
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Then I'm glad we agree that Siemens and Kawasaki has been exporting products containing purchased technologies and has no bases for complaining otherwise, it was not necessary to state the obvious that they are capable of inventing/re-inventing new ones as well and I will just take it as how you deal with your own problems , I'm here for the news so please don't waste more of my time replying to my posts unless you have something related to what I said.
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Old December 15th, 2010, 07:31 AM   #604
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was watching that documentary that was posted. couple of points.

The concrete track beds are maintained to the degree that their flat surface have a variance of 0.5mm.

The overhead cables, for the entire 1400km length is exactly 5.3m above track level and have a variance 1mm.

talk about quality.
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Old December 15th, 2010, 06:17 PM   #605
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Then I'm glad we agree that Siemens and Kawasaki has been exporting products containing purchased technologies and has no bases for complaining otherwise, it was not necessary to state the obvious that they are capable of inventing/re-inventing new ones as well and I will just take it as how you deal with your own problems , I'm here for the news so please don't waste more of my time replying to my posts unless you have something related to what I said.
!? No I don't agree - again you've made up in your head something I didn't say. What is wrong with your brain? Stop wasting your own time and learn to read.
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Old December 15th, 2010, 06:53 PM   #606
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NOTE POSSIBILITY - this does not mean that I am suggesting that it applies ubiquitously to every situation!!!
What did I tell you, don't waste my time unless you have something worthwhile to add. It seem you have trouble with the concept of logic, if you can't understand or remember what you wrote yourself then you need to see a doctor and there's nothing I can do to help you, I work in the industry and I can assure you Siemens did not "reinvent" everything Kawasaki invented and vise versa, there's a concept called acquisition, familiarize yourself with it.
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Old December 16th, 2010, 12:15 PM   #607
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You are severely testing my patience.

I have not said or alluded to Siemens reinventing everything Kawasaki did, I have not said or alluded to Kawasaki reinventing everything Siemens did, I have not said or alluded to either manufacturer reinventing everything. You persist in implying that I have said this and wondering why I continue to correct you - you are in effect misrepresenting me on a public forum and I will correct you if you continue to do so.

It is not I who has the trouble with the concept of logic.

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Companies like Siemens or Kawasaki didn't invented everything that exist in rail travel, they all bought it from someone else, it didn't prevent them from exporting their trains (which are technically all based on British rail technology).

Of course they don't want to see a new competitor, one that's very competitive to say the least, but that's something they should have thought of before selling the technology, its a bit late for that now. Only thing you can say is they grossly underestimated Chinese trainmakers.
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Siemens were pioneers in the electrically powered locomotives in the late 19th century, and have been leaders in the market ever since. They were at the forefront of electric motor technology since such items became industrially important. There were no British companies at the time that were significantly advanced ahead of Siemens.

Kawasaki and Siemens have been instrumental in the evolution of rail travel over the last 100 years. To say anything else is to not know history. Many companies have all had their influence, but to say such innovative companies such as Siemens and Kawasaki 'bought' all of their techonology is absurd. Its not a criticism I would level at them, many other companies yes, but not them.
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Siemens showed the first electric train as we know it in 1879 and even built electric trams in China in 1899, so I don't think we can accuse them of stealing anything.

There were railways in Germany in the middle ages. What the Brits did was put steam locomotives on iron rails.
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That's not the point, Siemens and Kawasaki can't both have invented everything, whatever one of them invented, the other purchased. Nobody's accusing Siemens of stealing technology, however they are exporting technology that in-cooperated what they purchased, just like everyone else. It does not make what Siemens accomplished themselves any less credible, it just means that they'll be hypocrites for talking down someone else for doing the same thing.
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Of course, because it is impossible for another company's research team to develop something in parallel to another company, you know, like how Pepsi obviously bought their formula from Coca-Cola.

Anyway, nobody said that Siemens and Kawasaki both invented everything. But you in effect said that everyone apart from the British stole or bought everything. Obviously you must think in grand generalisations otherwise you wouldn't have posted one and then inferred another from my comment which contained nothing of the sort.

Being a Brit myself I would love to claim everything for my country. But I won't.
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If you are trying to argue that both Siemens and Kawasaki invented every single nuts a bolts in their trains, then you better have some concrete evidence to show for it, because its quite a statement to claim two companies both invented everything since, and including the wheel, simultaneously.
If you cannot see that it is you that struggles with logic, and/or being able to read properly that is your own problem, and the main cause of you wasting your time. If you post anything else that misrepresents what I have said I will yet again refute it, if you don't want your time wasted either be very careful about what it is you are saying or stay quiet.
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Old December 16th, 2010, 01:01 PM   #608
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Don't be so sensitive, I never implied Siemens purchased EVERYTHING, perhaps I was too general in my wording and confused you, I will apologize for that, however I've already stated that they "IN-COOPERATED" what they purchased, and anyone who has any respect for their management would agree on that. So as I said, I'm glad we agree on that point, unless you want to go back and fourth and keep on refute yourself there's nothing more you can add, I got work to do ahead of me and your patience is your own to test.

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Old December 17th, 2010, 09:57 AM   #609
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Official Order confirmation:

CSR Changchun, CRH380B 40sets, CRH380BL 45 sets, CRH380CL 25 sets.

BST's Zifero 380 is now CRH380D

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Old December 18th, 2010, 06:11 AM   #610
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Official Order confirmation:

CSR Changchun, CRH380B 40sets, CRH380BL 45 sets, CRH380CL 25 sets.

BST's Zifero 380 is now CRH380D

and i can leave it to you to update the wiki with this information yes?
EDIT: checked and confirmed, thankyou

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Old December 20th, 2010, 06:29 PM   #611
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China Economy

According to a new poll conducted by Allstate and the National Journal most Americans believe that the U.S. economy has already been surpassed by China's economy. Only 20% of Americans polled believe that the United States has the strongest economy in the world, while nearly half say this distinction lies with China.

Despite this pessimistic view, one-third of Americans (34%) believe the United States will have the world's strongest economy 20 years from now, roughly in line with those who hold similar expectations of China's economy (37%). Respondents cited America's strengths in its higher education system (74%), science and research (66%), workforce (56%) and corporate leaders (57%).

For more information visit Allstate Insurance Digital Newsroom
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Old December 21st, 2010, 07:16 AM   #612
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According to a new poll conducted by Allstate and the National Journal most Americans believe that the U.S. economy has already been surpassed by China's economy. Only 20% of Americans polled believe that the United States has the strongest economy in the world, while nearly half say this distinction lies with China.

Despite this pessimistic view, one-third of Americans (34%) believe the United States will have the world's strongest economy 20 years from now, roughly in line with those who hold similar expectations of China's economy (37%). Respondents cited America's strengths in its higher education system (74%), science and research (66%), workforce (56%) and corporate leaders (57%).

For more information visit Allstate Insurance Digital Newsroom
On a somewhat related note, having looked at so many pictures of how China's railways are developing, the display of such infrastructure (in my opinion) is a far more powerful image of China's increasing development/power than stuff like military parades.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 03:02 PM   #613
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Was hoping for news on Chinese trainsets....silly me.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 08:53 PM   #614
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So since Zifero is now CRH380D, what has become CRH380C? Initially we all thought Zifero is C.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 09:04 PM   #615
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CRH380C is now an upgraded 380B. It still looks like Velaro but has a new nose design.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 10:22 PM   #616
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CRH380C is now an upgraded 380B. It still looks like Velaro but has a new nose design.
You mean that model showed during 7th HSR Congress? I think I now remember what it looks like.
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Old December 21st, 2010, 11:32 PM   #617
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You mean that model showed during 7th HSR Congress? I think I now remember what it looks like.
Yes, that's the one...... they converted 25 of the BL units into the CL units. It will be nice to see the CL units since they will be relatively rare compared to the rest of the variants (A, AL, B, BL, D, DL). 25 CL units versus 375 of the other units combined....
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 06:15 AM   #618
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Cheers the CSR EMU Family!
Left to right: CIT380A(CRH2-150C in CRH380A skin), CRH2A Stage 2, CRH2C Stage 1


CRH2A Stage Two!

20 sets ordered, Serials Number 151A-170A,

CRH2-151A - 157A had been rolled off

fomation can be found on Wikipedia!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_R...s_CRH2#CRH2A_2

Pics: Thanks to railwayfans poster Baozi









Coach No.3: ZYE






Coach No.5:ZEC




ZY Coach


ZE Coach


Driver car
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 09:06 AM   #619
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Great pictures, thanks! Why doesn't the driver's seat have a seatbelt? If they slam on the emergency brake, the driver is going to go through the windshield. That makes the driver hesitate about about using the e-brake, a delay that is critical.
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Old December 22nd, 2010, 07:12 PM   #620
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Emergency brake may function automatically since human reaction is too slow at 350+km/h anyway.

Great pictures, by the way.
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