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Old September 27th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #61
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Recently news in Chinese media suggests that as a series of new CRH contract will be signed by Chinese MOR and the for Chinese factories, considering at least 1000 km high speed railway at 250km/h level set to be open by next year, and so far the MOR had only ordered 320 trains at this level, so a majority of the new contract will be 250km/h level trains.

Chinese CRH deliver timetable (by contract signed before september 2010)

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type       2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 later   total
CRH1A        8   18   12    2   20   20           80
CRH2A       19   41             15   5            80
CRH5A            27   29    4   30                90
CRH1B                  4    9    7                20
CRH1E                       3    8   9            20
CRH2B                 10                          10
CRH2E                  6   14                     20
CRH2C                 10   20   30                60
CRH3C                  7   36   17                60
CRH380A                         40                40
CRH380AL                         6   94          100
CRH380B                         20   20   20 *    60
CRH380BL                        11   49   80 *   140
CRH380C                                   20 **   20
CRH380CL                                  60 **   60
total       27   86   78   88  204  197  180     860
accumulate  27  113  191  279  483  680  860     860

* all CRH380B contract to be deliver before 2012
** all CRH380C contract to be deliver before 2014
Dollar Normalized for Unit price in most recently contract

250km/h, 8 cars per set (first generation CRH)
CRH1A : 19.3 million/set
CRH2A : 25.3 million/set
CRH5A : 23.8 million/set

250km/h, 16 cars per set (second generation CRH)
CRH1B+E : 32.6 million/set avg
CRH2B : 17.8 million/set
CRH2E : 22.3 million/set

300km/h, 8 cars per set (third generation CRH)
CRH2C : 20.2 million/set

350km/h, 8 cars per set (third generation CRH)
CRH3C : 32.2 million/set

380km/h, 8 cars per set (fourth generation CRH)
CRH380A: 27.98 million/set
CRH380B: 29.1 million/set
CRH380C:29.2 million/set

380 km/h, 16 cars per train (fourth generation CRH)
CRH380AL: 55.96 million/set
CRH380BL: 58.2 million/set
CRH380CL: 58.4 million/set
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Old September 27th, 2010, 11:34 PM   #62
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I like the term "fourth generation CRH" With 380km/h top speed those trains deserve it..
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Old September 28th, 2010, 10:04 AM   #63
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CRH380A set new record of world HSR operating speed

Congratulations to CSR Sifang Factory!

at 11:40 AM, September 28, 2010, Top speed of a CRH380A train during trial operation on Shanghai-Hangzhou PDL HSR reached 416.6 km/h (259 mph). Break China & World record on non-maglev high-speed rail operating speed, the previous world record was 403.7 km/h (251 mph) reached by Siemens Velaro In July 2006, and previous China record was 394.3 km/h (245mph) reached by CRH3C on June 24, 2008, on the Wuguang PDL

and in later news, the CRH380A finished the 202 km Huhang PDL travel in 40 minutes at a average speed of 303km/h.

http://www.cs.com.cn/sylm/jsbd/20100...8_2610558.html

the Huhang PDL is a 350km/h class HSR line set to open by October, 2010, and the designed travel time from Shanghai to hangzhou is 38 minute, at wverage speed of 318.947 km/h
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Old September 28th, 2010, 12:16 PM   #64
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I heard that it rained on the day of this trial, which might have prevented it from achieving an even higher speed.

In any case, for a 380km/h class train to maintain a 10% safety margin, they need to test it at the speed of 418km/h. 416.6km/h is quite close though.
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Old September 28th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #65
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lol. With that little comment it's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Yeah sorry about that, I thought I'd reward a senseless comment with a bigoted reply
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Old September 29th, 2010, 09:13 AM   #66
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Inconvenient, yes, but why is it "ridiculous"?
The requirement is ridiculous.

Hopefully DB will win the day and the authorities see sense.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 11:36 AM   #67
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the previous world record was 403.7 km/h (251 mph) reached by Siemens Velaro In July 2006, and previous China record was 394.3 km/h (245mph) reached by CRH3C on June 24, 2008
So this is the effect of coupling Velaro bogie with lighter Shinkansen's body.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 01:12 PM   #68
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whatever the cause of the effect is, I see that effect make you unhappy again, not to mention that your claim of 'Highly unlikely' failed miserably. Nah, don't bother saying anything to me, I am just happy to see that you kinda people are unhappy.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 02:44 PM   #69
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I love the smell of envy in the morning. Some can only dream.
I am definitely dreaming this morning as I wonder in awe how the heck will the US build the $117B northeast line while China is leaping everyone in the HSR network.
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Old September 29th, 2010, 05:29 PM   #70
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CRH380A set new record of world HSR operating speed

Congratulations to CSR Sifang Factory!

at 11:40 AM, September 28, 2010, Top speed of a CRH380A train during trial operation on Shanghai-Hangzhou PDL HSR reached 416.6 km/h (259 mph). Break China & World record on non-maglev high-speed rail operating speed, the previous world record was 403.7 km/h (251 mph) reached by Siemens Velaro In July 2006, and previous China record was 394.3 km/h (245mph) reached by CRH3C on June 24, 2008, on the Wuguang PDL

and in later news, the CRH380A finished the 202 km Huhang PDL travel in 40 minutes at a average speed of 303km/h.

http://www.cs.com.cn/sylm/jsbd/20100...8_2610558.html

the Huhang PDL is a 350km/h class HSR line set to open by October, 2010, and the designed travel time from Shanghai to hangzhou is 38 minute, at wverage speed of 318.947 km/h
I am expecting breaking of this record couple of times in this two year period.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 11:50 AM   #71
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China high speed rail will be better than Europe

I know most European won't agree with me
For the most part they already are better. They have the biggest network already, and have the fastest rail service in the world. They run German, Japanese, French, Canadian and now Chinese trains.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 03:50 PM   #72
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For the most part they already are better. They have the biggest network already, and have the fastest rail service in the world. They run German, Japanese, French, Canadian and now Chinese trains.
I don't think they run "canadian" high speed trains in China. The Bombardier Group might be nominally Canadian, but Bombardier Transportation is headquartered in Berlin, and is really more a European company. The Bombardier "Zefiro" family's pedigree is mostly Swedish but the trains were actually completely build in China...
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Old September 30th, 2010, 04:34 PM   #73
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I am definitely dreaming this morning as I wonder in awe how the heck will the US build the $117B northeast line while China is leaping everyone in the HSR network.
Get out of Iraq, Afghanistan, put the tax back to pre-Reagan era levels to start. Oh, and elect politicians with balls.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 08:21 PM   #74
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For the most part they already are better. They have the biggest network already, and have the fastest rail service in the world. They run German, Japanese, French, Canadian and now Chinese trains.
Do you have numbers about the length of HSR networks in China and in the EU27?
That would be interesting to compare.
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Old September 30th, 2010, 09:05 PM   #75
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CRH380A In Commercial Operation

The CRH380A from Sifang has ALREADY been put into commercial service.

Railway fans have been posting about their first experience with CRH380A. Apparently, the ride is much more smooth and the cabins much quieter than the E2 Series based CRH2. On this page of the ourail-forum you can see a bunch of photos taken by fans.

On this page of the same forum there are videos taken by fans. The first four are of the CRH380A.

Man, this thing is FAST!!!!
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Old September 30th, 2010, 09:11 PM   #76
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Do you have numbers about the length of HSR networks in China and in the EU27?
That would be interesting to compare.
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Source:http://www.uic.org/IMG/pdf/20100521_..._the_world.pdf
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Old October 1st, 2010, 01:16 AM   #77
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The data from uic is not updated and not including the 2876km upgraded existing lines. The accurate number is 7055km in operatioin, which is more than the whole europe combined.
http://www.sh.xinhuanet.com/zhuanti/...t_21022633.htm
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Old October 1st, 2010, 03:20 AM   #78
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CRH 380A is NOT the fastest train in the world. The French V150 holds the title - max. speed 575 km per hour (357 miles per hour).

This is supposed to be old story. You guys are not very well informed.

Read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/bu...s/04train.html
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Old October 1st, 2010, 03:26 AM   #79
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CRH 380A is NOT the fastest train in the world. The French V150 holds the title - max. speed 575 km per hour (357 miles per hour).

This is supposed to be old story. You guys are not very well informed.

Read.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/04/bu...s/04train.html
your first post and its arrogant and ignorant.

CRH380 is the fastest train on service!

V150 its just experimental
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Old October 1st, 2010, 04:07 AM   #80
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your first post and its arrogant and ignorant.

CRH380 is the fastest train on service!

V150 its just experimental
You are the one who is arrogant and ignorant. Learn some manners.

It doesn't matter whether the train is commercially running. We are talking about the fastest train, not the fastest commercially running train.

It pays to use more sense and less emotion.

And use the dictionary whenever you can. Thanks.
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