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Old May 18th, 2011, 01:54 PM   #801
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Thats a very exciting development! Though I don't understand why they choose not to use plug doors, can someone explain the resoning why they do so? (Along with Japan's continuing use of sliding doors on high speed trains, it's not something which seems to make sense to me)
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Old May 18th, 2011, 02:34 PM   #802
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The design are streamlined shape and very modern, we will look forward for this train as soon it's became reality.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 10:40 PM   #803
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Anybody has the link to that video, I'm almost certain it's just a fan made CGI, nothing official.
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Old May 18th, 2011, 11:38 PM   #804
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suppose i'll ask again, but do we have an update on the delivery status of the trainsets being manufactured? it has been months since the last number update, and it would be nice if we could get one.

EDIT: it also appears that the MOR has been updating the propulsion units on older trainsets. can anyone confirm that?

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Old May 19th, 2011, 12:41 PM   #805
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Seriously, do they really have to copy everything??? With the exception of the crappy looking windows it is an exact copy of the German one.

How about designing and developing your own stuff for once.

Can you think properly? Please inform yourself first before making wild claims.
I just shows how biased you people are.

This is a licensed production of the maglev, of course it is going to look similar to the German maglev.
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Old May 20th, 2011, 10:51 AM   #806
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On April 26, 2011, the Chinese MOR ordered additional 30 sets of CRH5A from CNR Changchun, the contract worth CNY 3.87 billion.

CNR Changchun also starts development of CRH8, next generation of 250km/h class HST.

the first set of CRH380C had rolled off line and now testing

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Have you seen some of CRH8 render?
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Old May 21st, 2011, 07:28 AM   #808
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apparently this was one of the trains that ruled during the development of crh380a

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Old May 21st, 2011, 07:26 PM   #809
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Claims that the speed will eventually go back to 350km/h, 520km/h tests completed (I assume on tests rigs, not on actual track), next 600km/h test will be conducted.

中科院院士称高铁试验最高时速已达520公里
http://www.sina.com.cn 2011年05月21日06:43 四川新闻网-成都晚报
  前不久的“高铁降速”消息引人关注,为什么不能继续以每小时350公里运行高铁?在昨日举行的第七届西部科学论坛上,沈志云针对此问题,给出了答案:“一是UIC(国际铁路联盟)没有每小时350公里的技术标准。另外一方面,信息化程度不够,无法事先提供某趟高速列车关于安全的准确信息,乘客不知道安全到什么程度,心中无数。”

  沈志云认为,中国高铁当前面临的一大任务是完善第三代高铁技术,在充分科学论证基础上,制定高铁每小时350公里的技术国际标准;采用现代信息技术,实现高铁列车每小时350公里运行安全的实时监控。

  沈志云(中国科学院院士、中国工程院院士、西南交通大学教授,机车车辆专家)

  83岁,湖南人。在机车车辆动力学尤其是轮轨动力学、运动稳定性、曲线通过理论和随机响应等研究方面成绩卓著,他创建的轮轨非线性蠕滑力模型,在国际上通称“沈氏理论”被广泛引用;主持研制成功中国第一台迫导向货车转向架,开创了无轮缘磨损新纪录。1988年筹建牵引动力国家重点实验室,建成能模拟高速列车运行的机车车辆整车滚动振动试验台,达到国际先进水平。1999年获国家科技进步一等奖。

  语录

  ——“中国最高时速350公里的高铁已经跑了2亿多公里,已经运送了4亿人,三年没有出任何安全事故。”

  ——“现在已经试验到时速520公里了,下一目标是时速600公里。”

  ——“科学研究不能靠起哄,时速为400~600公里的真空管道都还没开始研制,哪来1000公里甚至更高。科学研究是一环扣一环的,不能搞虚假的东西。”(有媒体报道称有部门正在研制时速1000公里甚至2万公里的真空磁悬浮列车)

  —— “每天乱弹两把,只是活动指头、练练脑子而已。”(喜欢音乐的沈志云竟在古稀之年学起了钢琴)

  ——“我很遗憾地告诉你,按照当前的条件,时速超过400公里的高速列车几乎不可能实现商业营运。这是因为时速超过400公里之后,列车的能耗和对环境的破坏将大大增加,导致它根本无法实现商业运营。”(有记者问时速超过500公里的高速列车何时才能投入商业营运)

  谈中国高铁>>>

  安全地跑了2亿公里 这是实实在在的业绩

  记者:目前中国的高铁是按照怎样的一个技术标准来开行的?以后有没有可能上升到国际标准?

  沈志云:制定标准的话语权实际上代表了一个国家在这项技术方面的地位,目前高速铁路的标准都是国际铁路联盟制定的,只有时速300公里的技术标准,没有300公里以上的,对于这个标准,我们没有参与,所以谈不上有话语权。制定国际公认的时速350公里的技术标准,已经启动很久了,但到现在还没有结果,因为各国没有运行业绩,没有哪一个国家有这个运行业绩。

  这个标准的制定,我认为最有发言权的是中国,因为我们有这个业绩,中国最高时速350公里的高铁已经跑了2亿多公里,已经运送了4亿人,三年没有出任何安全事故,这个是实实在在的业绩,所谓的引领世界,要制定时速350公里的技术标准的话,必须是中国说了算,只有中国有这个业绩。

  记者:中国最高时速350公里的高铁业绩有没有可能上升到国际标准?

  沈志云:中国制定高铁技术国际标准有优势,因为中国有发展较为完善的系统动力学学科。发展高铁的技术上,系统动力学非常关键,这门学科在上世纪60年代才出现,我国在这方面有优势,走在各国的前面。制定国际标准就是要引领世界,让中国的高铁技术引领世界的高铁技术发展。

  谈高铁降速>>>

  先按300公里跑,迟早要跑回350公里

  记者:如何看待“高铁降速”?

  沈志云:由政府统筹,我们用5-7年时间走过了人家40年的道路,比如日本,轨道的限制让其高铁的速度由最开始的时速360公里降到320公里。而我们是一张白纸,路是新修建的,车也是新的,自己完全可以按照一个新的科学体系规定各个方面的要求,这些要求的规定从实践的情况来看是合理的。

  记者:如何让广大乘客和有关部门相信时速350公里的可行性?

  沈志云:我下周三将参加京沪线最后的专家评审,上午从北京到上海,下午从上海回来,一天一个来回,从现在试运行的情况来看,非常的平稳,把一个矿泉水倒立放在车上,动都不动一下,我们在京沪高铁枣庄至蚌埠间的先导段做试验,设计时速380公里,试验最高时速达到486.1公里。通过实践现在看来是很成功的,350公里是没有问题的,但这个仅仅只能说我们跑到了350公里,有关科学研究和论证还不够,将来能不能安全地继续跑下去?只有在进行严格的科学论证的基础上,建立国际标准,并按照标准执行。否则既不能说服广大的乘客,也不能说服有关部门。所以,按照国际惯例,可以跑到时速350公里,但我们按照300公里跑,是稳妥的,现在先按照时速300公里跑,但迟早是要回到350公里。

  记者:目前高铁试验最高时速能达到多少公里?

  沈志云:现在已经试验到时速520公里了,下一目标是时速600公里,不过,在试验台上的600公里并不代表在路上跑600公里,因为要论证400公里以下的安全性,试验就必须跑到500公里,通俗地讲就是研究其基本规律,进行科学论证。所有标准都有一个共同的目标,就是高质量、高安全地运行,充分的科学论证还需要做更加大量的基础研究。

  成都晚报记者 黄海英 摄影 李豫龙
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suppose i'll ask again, but do we have an update on the delivery status of the trainsets being manufactured? it has been months since the last number update, and it would be nice if we could get one.

EDIT: it also appears that the MOR has been updating the propulsion units on older trainsets. can anyone confirm that?
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 04:59 AM   #811
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Claims that the speed will eventually go back to 350km/h, 520km/h tests completed (I assume on tests rigs, not on actual track), next 600km/h test will be conducted.

中科院院士称高铁试验最高时速已达520公里
http://www.sina.com.cn 2011年05月21日06:43 四川新闻网-成都晚报
  前不久的“高铁降速”消息引人关注,为什么不能继续以每小时350公里运行高铁?在昨日举行的第七届西部科学论坛上,沈志云针对此问题,给出了答案:“一是UIC(国际铁路联盟)没有每小时350公里的技术标准。另外一方面,信息化程度不够,无法事先提供某趟高速列车关于安全的准确信息,乘客不知道安全到什么程度,心中无数。”

  沈志云认为,中国高铁当前面临的一大任务是完善第三代高铁技术,在充分科学论证基础上,制定高铁每小时350公里的技术国际标准;采用现代信息技术,实现高铁列车每小时350公里运行安全的实时监控。

  沈志云(中国科学院院士、中国工程院院士、西南交通大学教授,机车车辆专家)

  83岁,湖南人。在机车车辆动力学尤其是轮轨动力学、运动稳定性、曲线通过理论和随机响应等研究方面成绩卓著,他创建的轮轨非线性蠕滑力模型,在国际上通称“沈氏理论”被广泛引用;主持研制成功中国第一台迫导向货车转向架,开创了无轮缘磨损新纪录。1988年筹建牵引动力国家重点实验室,建成能模拟高速列车运行的机车车辆整车滚动振动试验台,达到国际先进水平。1999年获国家科技进步一等奖。

  语录

  ——“中国最高时速350公里的高铁已经跑了2亿多公里,已经运送了4亿人,三年没有出任何安全事故。”

  ——“现在已经试验到时速520公里了,下一目标是时速600公里。”

  ——“科学研究不能靠起哄,时速为400~600公里的真空管道都还没开始研制,哪来1000公里甚至更高。科学研究是一环扣一环的,不能搞虚假的东西。”(有媒体报道称有部门正在研制时速1000公里甚至2万公里的真空磁悬浮列车)

  —— “每天乱弹两把,只是活动指头、练练脑子而已。”(喜欢音乐的沈志云竟在古稀之年学起了钢琴)

  ——“我很遗憾地告诉你,按照当前的条件,时速超过400公里的高速列车几乎不可能实现商业营运。这是因为时速超过400公里之后,列车的能耗和对环境的破坏将大大增加,导致它根本无法实现商业运营。”(有记者问时速超过500公里的高速列车何时才能投入商业营运)

  谈中国高铁>>>

  安全地跑了2亿公里 这是实实在在的业绩

  记者:目前中国的高铁是按照怎样的一个技术标准来开行的?以后有没有可能上升到国际标准?

  沈志云:制定标准的话语权实际上代表了一个国家在这项技术方面的地位,目前高速铁路的标准都是国际铁路联盟制定的,只有时速300公里的技术标准,没有300公里以上的,对于这个标准,我们没有参与,所以谈不上有话语权。制定国际公认的时速350公里的技术标准,已经启动很久了,但到现在还没有结果,因为各国没有运行业绩,没有哪一个国家有这个运行业绩。

  这个标准的制定,我认为最有发言权的是中国,因为我们有这个业绩,中国最高时速350公里的高铁已经跑了2亿多公里,已经运送了4亿人,三年没有出任何安全事故,这个是实实在在的业绩,所谓的引领世界,要制定时速350公里的技术标准的话,必须是中国说了算,只有中国有这个业绩。

  记者:中国最高时速350公里的高铁业绩有没有可能上升到国际标准?

  沈志云:中国制定高铁技术国际标准有优势,因为中国有发展较为完善的系统动力学学科。发展高铁的技术上,系统动力学非常关键,这门学科在上世纪60年代才出现,我国在这方面有优势,走在各国的前面。制定国际标准就是要引领世界,让中国的高铁技术引领世界的高铁技术发展。

  谈高铁降速>>>

  先按300公里跑,迟早要跑回350公里

  记者:如何看待“高铁降速”?

  沈志云:由政府统筹,我们用5-7年时间走过了人家40年的道路,比如日本,轨道的限制让其高铁的速度由最开始的时速360公里降到320公里。而我们是一张白纸,路是新修建的,车也是新的,自己完全可以按照一个新的科学体系规定各个方面的要求,这些要求的规定从实践的情况来看是合理的。

  记者:如何让广大乘客和有关部门相信时速350公里的可行性?

  沈志云:我下周三将参加京沪线最后的专家评审,上午从北京到上海,下午从上海回来,一天一个来回,从现在试运行的情况来看,非常的平稳,把一个矿泉水倒立放在车上,动都不动一下,我们在京沪高铁枣庄至蚌埠间的先导段做试验,设计时速380公里,试验最高时速达到486.1公里。通过实践现在看来是很成功的,350公里是没有问题的,但这个仅仅只能说我们跑到了350公里,有关科学研究和论证还不够,将来能不能安全地继续跑下去?只有在进行严格的科学论证的基础上,建立国际标准,并按照标准执行。否则既不能说服广大的乘客,也不能说服有关部门。所以,按照国际惯例,可以跑到时速350公里,但我们按照300公里跑,是稳妥的,现在先按照时速300公里跑,但迟早是要回到350公里。

  记者:目前高铁试验最高时速能达到多少公里?

  沈志云:现在已经试验到时速520公里了,下一目标是时速600公里,不过,在试验台上的600公里并不代表在路上跑600公里,因为要论证400公里以下的安全性,试验就必须跑到500公里,通俗地讲就是研究其基本规律,进行科学论证。所有标准都有一个共同的目标,就是高质量、高安全地运行,充分的科学论证还需要做更加大量的基础研究。

  成都晚报记者 黄海英 摄影 李豫龙

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Chinese Academy of Sciences said the high-speed rail has reached a top speed of 520 km Test
http://www.sina.com.cn 2011 年 05 月 21 日 06:43 Sichuan News Net - Chengdu Evening News
Not long ago, the "high iron spin-down" message, concern, why not continue to run 350 kilometers per hour high-speed rail? At yesterday's forum, the seventh Western science, TRAFFIC solve this problem, gives the answer: "First, UIC (International Railway Union), 350 kilometers per hour, no technical standards. On the other hand, the insufficient level of information can not be provided in advance of a high-speed train trip accurate information about the safety of the passengers did not know to what extent the safety, not too sure. "

TRAFFIC believes that the current high-speed railway in China is facing a major task is to improve the third-generation high-speed rail technology with full scientific proof based on the development of 350 km per hour, high-speed rail technology with international standards; use of modern information technology to achieve high-speed rail trains per hour the safe operation of 350 km of real-time monitoring.

TRAFFIC (Chinese Academy of Sciences, Chinese Academy of Engineering, Southwest Jiaotong University, rolling stock experts)

83 years old, Hunan. Locomotive wheel and rail vehicle dynamics, especially dynamics, stability of motion, curve, etc. through the theory and the study of random response outstanding achievements, he created the wheel-rail creep FORCES nonlinear model, known in the international arena, "Shen's theory" widely quoted; chaired the successful development of the first Chinese Forced Steering Bogie trucks, creating a new record without flange wear. 1988 Traction Power State Key Laboratory of preparation, and built to simulate high-speed train rolling stock rolling vehicle vibration test stand, reached the international advanced level. 1999 by the National Science and Technology Progress Award.

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- "China's top speed of 350 km of high-speed rail has been running more than 200 million kilometers, has delivered 400 million people, three not out of any security incidents."

- "It has been tested to 520 kilometers per hour, the next goal is to speed of 600 km."

- "Scientific research can not rely on booing, speed of 400 to 600 kilometers of vacuum tubes have not started to develop, where will the 1,000 km or more. Scientific research is inter-related, can not engage in false things." ( Media reports said the department is developing a 1,000 km per hour or 20,000 km of the vacuum magnetic levitation train)

- "Every day Luantan two, but activities fingers and thought my mind only." (Like the music in the seventies TRAFFIC actually learn to play the piano)

- "I regret to tell you that under current conditions, speed of more than 400 km of high speed train is almost impossible to achieve commercial operation. This is because more than 400 kilometers per hour, the train's energy consumption and environmental damage will greatly increase , cause it could not achieve commercial operation. "(A reporter asked over 500 km per hour when the high-speed train can be put into commercial operation)

Of Chinese high-speed rail>>>

Safe to run 200 million kilometers This is the real performance

Reporter: China's high-speed rail is a technical standard according to how the opening line? Since there may be up to international standards?

TRAFFIC: standard-setting is actually the right to speak on behalf of a country's position in this technology, the current standards are high-speed railway established the International Union of Railways, only the technical standards of 300 kilometers per hour, no more than 300 km for this standards, we did not take part, so far from there right to speak. Development of internationally recognized technical standards for speed of 350 km, has started a long time, but still no results, because the country is not running performance, not a single country to have this running performance.

The development of standards, I think is most qualified to speak, because we have the results, China's top speed of 350 km railway has been running high over 200 million kilometers, has delivered 400 million people, not three years out of any security accidents, this is the real performance, the so-called lead the world, the development speed of 350 km to the technical standards, must be the final say in China, only China has this performance.

Reporter: China's top speed of 350 km of high-speed rail results are not likely to rise to international standards?

TRAFFIC: China to develop international standards for high-speed rail technology has an advantage, because China has developed a more comprehensive system dynamics discipline. The development of high-speed rail technology, system dynamics is critical, the discipline in the last century occurred before 60 years, China has an advantage in this area, walk in front of all countries. Development of international standards is to lead the world, so that China's high-speed rail technology to lead the world's high-speed rail technology.

On the high-iron spin-down>>>

Press the 300 km run, sooner or later be back to 350 km

Q: How do the "high iron spin-down"?

TRAFFIC: coordinated by the Government, we use 5-7 years to 40 years people have gone through the road, such as Japan, the track speed limit allowed by the most high-speed rail speed of 360 km down to the beginning of 320 km. And we are a blank sheet, the road was newly built, the car is new, its own fully in accordance with the provisions of a new scientific system for all requirements, the provisions of these requirements from a practical point of view is reasonable.

Reporter: How do authorities believe that the majority of the passengers and the feasibility of 350 km per hour?

TRAFFIC: I will attend the Beijing-Shanghai line next Wednesday, the final expert review in the morning from Beijing to Shanghai in the afternoon returned from Shanghai, a round trip a day from now on trial run of the situation, very smooth, to a mineral water on the inverted car, motionless, we're in the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway between Zaozhuang to Bengbu section of a test pilot, the design speed of 380 km, maximum speed of 486.1 km test. Through practice now appears to be very successful, 350 km is no problem, but this is only only say that we ran 350 miles is not enough on research and demonstration, in the future can not safely continue to run forever? Only after rigorous scientific proof, based on the establishment of international standards and in accordance with the standards. Otherwise, neither to convince the majority of passengers can not persuade the authorities. Therefore, in accordance with international practice, can go 350 kilometers per hour, but we follow the 300 km run, was sound, and now the first in accordance with the speed of 300 km run, but sooner or later to return to 350 km.

Reporter: At present, testing high-speed rail can reach a top speed of many kilometers?

TRAFFIC: It has been tested to 520 kilometers per hour, the next goal is 600 kilometers per hour, but the 600 km stage in the trial does not mean on the road for 600 km, 400 km because of the following to demonstrate the safety of the test to be ran 500 km, is to study the basic rules More simply, the scientific proof. All standards have a common goal, that is high quality, safe operation, adequate scientific proof more needs to be done a lot of basic research.

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Old May 22nd, 2011, 09:20 AM   #813
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Fire on the Shanghai Maglev

08/11/2006

As the pictures show, the Shanghai Maglev appears to have met with a spot of trouble. The Chinese press reports that today (11 August), at around 2.50pm, the second carriage of the Maglev leaving the Pudong International Airport caught fire. Fire fighters were quick on the scene, but it probably didn't make it much better for passengers on a train that does over 400km/hour. Still no word on why it caught alight. Hit the link above (and this one), for more pics. More on the Maglev here and here. CNN is covering the story here, but without CSR Asia's dramatic pictures...

http://news.163.com/06/0811/18/2O8V75MJ0001124J.html







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Old May 22nd, 2011, 12:22 PM   #814
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uhm...not really new information....
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Old May 22nd, 2011, 01:29 PM   #815
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The Info is not new, but was not in the forum and never too late to cite

Most likely is that the units were still under warranty.
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just go back to the archive of the forum...we had dozens of discussions of that issue.

And yes...there was still warranty on the vehicles and the germans offered to deliver a new one, however the chinese didt want it.
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Thank you very much
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She's here =D (CRH380CL)

Credits to the person who took the video.
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Lovely thing...
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nice video, great find. Before this video there were only a few pics taken by fans.
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