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Old May 14th, 2012, 12:38 PM   #1061
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it can be used on any electrified lines, my guess would be replacing remaining non-CRH passenger services around Yangtze and Zhujiang River Delta.
How many important non-electrified passenger services are operating around Pearl and Yangtze Delta? Pinghu-Shenzhen West-Nanshan railway is unelectrified (and single track), but which are the other unelectrified passenger lines in those regions?
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Old May 17th, 2012, 08:21 PM   #1062
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How many important non-electrified passenger services are operating around Pearl and Yangtze Delta? Pinghu-Shenzhen West-Nanshan railway is unelectrified (and single track), but which are the other unelectrified passenger lines in those regions?
There are still passenger services on the regular electrified lines (<200km/h) parallel with newer HSR lines, such as Shanghai-Nanjing, Shanghai-Hangzhou. For small cities there are Rizhao (Shandong)-Qufu-Xinxiang-Luoyang. The key for CRH6 is to replace current 25 series trains pulled by electric locomotives running on intercity services, I don't believe there are CRH6 planned currently.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 04:26 AM   #1063
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I've just looked back through the Bangladesh Railway thread in the Bangladesh forum and can't see any discussion of high speed rail plans. The supposed Bangladeshi order is for twenty trainsets, and I did find that Bangladesh Railway has ordered twenty DMUs from a Chinese manufacturer.

I suspect that Bangladeshi sources are referring to these trains as "high speed" because they're faster than existing Bangladeshi trains, and Chinese reporters haven't thought to question it. This seems to be quite common in developing countries, because Chinese plans for an "iron Silk Road" and new railways in countries like Laos get reported as high speed rail when they are frieght-oriented and not HSR by Chinese or international standards.
It's more of the Bangladeshi Railways' plan to upgrade and improve its rail network, so I think it's high time for them to buy such trains.
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Old May 20th, 2012, 09:51 AM   #1064
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How many important non-electrified passenger services are operating around Pearl and Yangtze Delta? Pinghu-Shenzhen West-Nanshan railway is unelectrified (and single track), but which are the other unelectrified passenger lines in those regions?
I think they will be used on the Guangzhou-Dongguan-Shenzhen Intercity Railway, or Guangzhou-Zhuhai Intercity Railway.
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Old May 20th, 2012, 07:02 PM   #1065
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It's more of the Bangladeshi Railways' plan to upgrade and improve its rail network, so I think it's high time for them to buy such trains.
Plus they are DMUs so it's much easier than EMUs to integrate into their existing network, and since the speed is lower there is no need for in cabin signaling neither.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 09:45 AM   #1066
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Plus they are DMUs so it's much easier than EMUs to integrate into their existing network, and since the speed is lower there is no need for in cabin signaling neither.
I think the need for a safe and reliable rail transport could be the reason if ever Bangladesh needs to shift from DMUs to EMUs
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:45 PM   #1067
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China may let its high-speed trains to run at faster speeds again as the slow-down decision made after last July's fatal crash was "expedient," said the country's largest train maker.

"It's very likely that the Beijing-Shanghai high-speed railway will be restored to its designed operational speed of 350-380kmh," said Zhao Xiaogang, chairman of CSR Corp. "For our part, we have no problem with regard to technology and safety."

The July 23 train collision in Wenzhou, Zhejiang Province killed 40 people and prompted the Ministry of Railways to lower the speed of bullet trains on the Beijing-Shanghai High Speed Rail and other high-speed lines.

Currently, trains on the Beijing-Shanghai rail run at 250kmh or 300kmh.

However, speed was not a factor in the accident. The official investigation blamed the crash on a faulty signal system and poor management on the part of railway officials.

"We need to find a point of balance between cost and passenger demand," Zhao told the China Manufacturing Forum today in Shanghai, adding China's efforts to develop a low-carbon economy bodes well for the railway industry because trains emit less greenhouse gases than airplanes and automobiles.

Zhao said though CSR shares fell after the accident the company's business remained strong. He expects their overseas sales to grow more than 50 percent this year after more than doubling the tally last year when it secured deals from Georgia, Australia and Saudi Arabia.

"Our technology strength is increasingly recognized in the global markets," he said.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 05:36 PM   #1068
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The July 23 train collision in Wenzhou, Zhejiang Province killed 40 people and prompted the Ministry of Railways to lower the speed of bullet trains on the Beijing-Shanghai High Speed Rail and other high-speed lines.
This is wrong.

The speed was lowered from 1st of July - BEFORE the collision on 23rd of July.

Beijing-Shanghai and Guangzhou-Shenzhen high speed railways cannot be restored to 350 km/h because they never have operated at that speed before - they were opened with 300 km/h to begin with.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #1069
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Old May 27th, 2012, 04:00 AM   #1070
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Old May 27th, 2012, 08:49 AM   #1071
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This is wrong.

The speed was lowered from 1st of July - BEFORE the collision on 23rd of July.

Beijing-Shanghai and Guangzhou-Shenzhen high speed railways cannot be restored to 350 km/h because they never have operated at that speed before - they were opened with 300 km/h to begin with.
Sorry bud, you're wrong.

The Beijing-Shanghai PDL was fully designed with an operating speed of 380 km/h during construction, and while it is true that commercial service on that line has always been 300 km/h, there is technically nothing stopping the trains from hitting that speed other than an order from above--it's not like they changed the construction building codes halfway during construction to limit speeds. I would also like to remind you that they have hit speeds in excess of 480 km/h on the Beijing-Shanghai PDL during test runs--thus proving that the line's 380 km/h heritage is still valid.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 04:06 AM   #1072
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I don't think he meant physically cannot be restored, only the expression shouldn't be "restored" but rather achieve designed speed.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 06:48 AM   #1073
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A Chinese electric locomotive manufacturer has delivered the electric traction system, the network control system and traction motor of electric bullet trains to Georgia, it was announced on Wednesday.


The delivery signaled that China has become an exporter of such core technology for the first time, according to a statement issued by the Zhuzhou Institute of China South Locomotive and Rolling Stock Corporation Ltd..


The company designed and produced the exported traction transmission system and the network control system, regarded as the "heart and brain" of electric multiple units (EMUs), or multi-car electric bullet trains.


The locomotives will be used in bullet trains travelling at a speed of 120 km per hour between Georgian cities in the mountainous Caucasus region, according to the statement.


The project contract was signed in August 2011, and the products for the EMU including the auxiliary traction inverter, the network control system, the braking resistance and traction motor have all been delivered.
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Old May 31st, 2012, 10:31 AM   #1074
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>120 km/h
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Old June 1st, 2012, 12:26 AM   #1075
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>120 km/h
>bullet train

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Indeed, I think the author meant 120 mph.
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Old June 1st, 2012, 12:47 AM   #1076
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Indeed, I think the author meant 120 mph.
http://english.eastday.com/e/120531/u1a6592592.html

http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/busines...t_15432993.htm

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/ch..._131621373.htm

http://www.china.org.cn/business/201...t_25524902.htm

http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2...ns-to-georgia/


All say 120 km/h.

In other words: not even CLOSE to a bullet train.


Just creative use of the word to be able to add another notch to their export belt.
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Old June 1st, 2012, 05:10 AM   #1077
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CNR Changchun aims to double exports to $1B
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CNR Changchun Railway Vehicles Co Ltd, China's largest producer of rolling stock and urban rail cars, aims to double its annual export revenue to $1 billion within five years, General Manager Lu Xiwei told China Daily on Wednesday.



Located in Changchun, the capital of Jilin province, CNR Changchun is a subsidiary of China CNR Corp Ltd, the country's second-largest train producer.



Its product range includes high-speed rail cars and subways.
Exports will generate 30 percent of revenue in the next five years, according to the company.



CNR Changchun "is now strongly competitive in production and manufacturing technology in the international market, and our next step is to make greater efforts to explore foreign markets to maintain good momentum for exports," Lu said.



In April, the company signed a contract with Bangladesh to supply traction inverters and network control systems for diesel railcar trains.



The deal is seen as a signal of China's progress in exporting core rail technology.



Amid a weak world economy, many countries are eager to attract foreign investment to establish joint ventures in their local markets. These ventures are especially attractive when recipient countries can obtain advanced technology and promote local employment.



Lu said the company is researching the feasibility of exporting technology to, and localizing production in, South America, South Africa and Southeast Asia.



"Exports of intangible assets, including capital and technology, could yield higher profits than just exporting finished products, Lu said.



"We have realized that it's very difficult to develop in foreign markets only through product exports, so the trend will be a shift from product exports to technology and capital," Lu said.


Establishing joint ventures in foreign markets helps obtain orders in those markets, Lu said.


CNR Changchun has joint ventures in Iran and Australia that design and produce rail and subway cars.


Taking into consideration the operating risks, locally manufactured products "will be priced higher than those exported", Lu said.
Zhou Chuanhe, deputy general manager for overseas operations, said the company's market share in the industry will grow significantly as it establishes factories overseas.


"We will gradually tap into the high-end markets, as we mature in terms of technology, output and management in foreign markets," Zhou said.


"As China's rolling stock industry develops, Chinese products will account for 30 percent of the global market, competing with other industrial giants including Siemens and Alstom," Lu said.



CNR Changchun's exports now account for 65 percent of the nation's rolling stock exports, with more than 4,000 rail cars so far shipped to countries including Brazil, Australia and Thailand.
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Old June 1st, 2012, 02:01 PM   #1078
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NE China rail construction halted over environmental violations
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HARBIN, June 1 (Xinhua) -- The Ministry of Environmental Protection has brought construction on a railway in northeast China's Heilongjiang province to a halt due to environmental violations, local authorities said Friday.

Further inspections will be conducted for the Harbin-Qiqihar passenger railway, the Heilongjiang provincial environmental protection bureau said.

Construction on the railway has violated several parts of the Environmental Impact Assessment Law, with some areas under construction lacking proper impact assessment approval, according to the bureau's investigation.

Several construction sites have been moved without authorization, threatening the Zhalong Sate Nature Reserve, a major habitat for cranes, according to the investigation.

The ministry has asked the builders to submit all environmental impact assessment paperwork before Aug. 1.

Construction on the 286-km-long railway began on July 5, 2009.

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Again, in China EMU = HSR = bullet train, just poor translation on the reporters' side. It'll be a culture shock when the sub high speed EMU CRH6 enters service.
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Russia-China cooperation on railways has huge potential: Russian official
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SOCHI, Russia, June 2 (Xinhua) -- Russia-China cooperation on development of high-speed rail and a trans-Eurasian rail corridor has "huge potential, the president of Russian Railways (RZD) said here Friday.

Under a government strategic plan, Russia will build by 2030 some 20,000 km of new railways, including 5,000 high-speed lines, Vladimir Yakunin told Xinhua on the sidelines of an international railway forum.

"Russia is expected to develop a railway network, including high-speed rail lines, from Kazan and Yekaterinburg (in central Russia) to Khabarovsk and Vladivostok (in the Far East region)," Yakunin said.

"In this field, we are willing to cooperate with China's railways and financial institutions," he added.

"China has rich experience in high-speed rail construction, which creates rooms for further cooperation between the two countries in this field," he added.

Meanwhile, Yakunin admitted that there are some delays in implementing a memorandum of understanding signed by Russia and China in 2009 on joint development of high-speed railway system in Russia.

There is no change in Russia's stance on the construction of high-speed rail, but the state-owned RZD is still seeking suitable finance and profit modes, he explained.

Yakunin, who will soon visit China with a Russian delegation led by President Vladimir Putin next week, said that he would meet with China's railway authorities on further bilateral cooperation.

On the development of a rail corridor from the southwest Chinese city of Chongqing to Germany's Duisburg, Yakunin said that China and Russia have signed cooperation documents and formed joint ventures.

Last July, the new route was officially launched in Chongqing. It offers a major shortcut to traditional sea trade routes and shorten travel time to Europe from about 36 days by container ship to just 13 days by freight train.

"This is the first step of the corridor construction," Yakunin said.

The train services are expected to be increased to once per day in the future as Chongqing's exports to Europe increase. Currently the train leaves Chongqing for Duisburg once a month.

Russia is now pondering the future transit fee policy following the development of the route and will later coordinate with the Chinese side, he said.

Besides, Yakunin said the new trans-Eurasian rail corridor is taking shape, thanks to the joint efforts of Russia, China and Kazakhstan.

Amid global economic uncertainties, such a corridor will boost the global and regional economy and enhance the competitiveness of countries of the railway routes, he said.

http://www.shanghaidaily.com/article...a.asp?id=74624
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