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Old August 20th, 2012, 08:44 PM   #1141
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I thought the CRH6 would only look like the train below for both high-speed and quasi-high speed models.

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Old August 21st, 2012, 02:54 AM   #1142
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I thought the CRH6 would only look like the train below for both high-speed and quasi-high speed models.
There have always been a high speed version and a quasi high speed version of the CRH6 from the get go. The one we've seen so far is the CRH6-160, purchased by Southeast Intercity Rail Transit for service between Guangzhou and Zhuhai. This is the first time for me to see the CRH6-200 which has an operating speed of 200km/h with a maximum speed of 250km/h.

Apparently the first CRH6-160 we've seen is only a prototype without propulsion system, according to this article it has a maximum speed of 200km/h. http://www.xinhui.gov.cn/zwgk/zwdt/z...509_25356.html
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A render.
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Now I'm confused about the CRH6-200. I imagined the "flat nose" version being the only version and that train being able to reach standard high speed.
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Photo-op:

China's first cold-weather subway train:

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Old August 22nd, 2012, 06:14 PM   #1146
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That train looks really cool....is this a high speed train? I ask because this is posted in the High Speed Trainset forum.
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Old August 23rd, 2012, 03:36 PM   #1147
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its a subway train for harbin, definately not HSR, don't know why its here. but cool none the less.
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No such place for China's metro/subway train sets, that's why I put that photo-op here.... ^_^
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No such place for China's metro/subway train sets, that's why I put that photo-op here.... ^_^
Try the Harbin metro thread.


Even the regular Chinese train thread is a better option than the HST thread.
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I'd like to get more info on this "new" CRH6 train. After the discussion of the "flat nose" at high speeds, it's surprising to see a more streamlined "CRH6". hmmmmm.
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I think maybe the CRH6-200's more streamlined nose is need to reach the 250km/h maximum speed? The CRH6-160 can only reach 200km/h max.
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More CRH6 pics, last one is large, I know.





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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:05 AM   #1153
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Not sure whether we have missed this completely back in April, CRH500 was tested at 575km/h on rolling test rig.





日前,中国南车集团研制的500公里高速试验列车在实验室平台上。该高速试验列车试验速度已经达到了575公里/小时。中国南车集团供图

  新京报讯 (记者仲玉维 刘春瑞)昨日,科技部印发《高速列车科技发展“十二五”专项规划》,提出继续“提高列车速度”目标,以及实现“高速列车谱系化、智能化”的目标。这是中国高速铁路装备发展的战略需求。

  高速列车突破四大技术

  “十一五”期间,我国已建成5000公里以上的高速铁路,居世界前列;到2020年,将建成16000公里的高速铁路,届时我国高速铁路的总里程将位居世界第一。

  为满足顶层战略需求,“十二五”期间,我国高速铁路科技工作将沿如下四个重大技术方向展开:高速铁路体系化安全保障技术;高速列车装备谱系化技术;高速铁路能力保持技术;高速铁路可持续性技术。

  未来建智能化高速列车

  规划提出,为全面提升我国高速铁路运力资源能力和列车运行在途服务水平,将研究具有自检测、自诊断、自决策能力的智能化高速列车系统及智能列车样车。

  规划提到了战略目标:以高速列车谱系化、智能化和节能降耗技术为核心,基本形成我国高速列车相关关键技术及重大装备体系。

  研究出口型高速列车

  规划明确提出,我国将研制供出口的高速动车系列车型。

  根据规划,为使高速列车满足我国多样化需求,满足不同地区、不同基础设施条件和不同速度等级,研制高速列车系列车型、常规铁路高速化列车、我国出口型高速列车系列车型和我国高速列车定制化设计制造一体化数字平台。

  高铁将用新型牵引技术

  规划提出,为了实现高速列车牵引传动模式的转型,将研究基于永磁电机的新型牵引传动技术。

  研究该项目的中国南车表示,2003年就着手永磁同步牵引系统基础研究,目前中国南车的永磁牵引系统已在电动汽车领域进行大规模商用,在地铁领域已经进行了超过7000公里的测试,即将大规模商用。

  中国南车目前正在开发永磁传动高速动车组,预计明年将下线。

  永磁传动模式下各个部件基本上没有物理接触,所以能量传递快,折损低,节能15%以上。

  据中国工程院院士、中国南车株洲电力机车研究所所长丁荣军介绍,目前永磁传动技术还在研发过程中。

  ■南车试验列车时速575公里

  新京报讯 (记者 刘春瑞) 昨日,记者从中国南车了解到,该集团研制的500公里高速试验列车试验速度已经达到575公里/小时。

  中国南车四方股份公司副总工程师梁建英介绍,试验列车试验速度达到575公里/小时,状态良好,所以他们准备进一步提高试验速度,对列车的各项性能进行验证。

  梁建英表示,目前不知道国内高铁列车在实验室滚动平台上的最高速度是多少,所以无法比较。

  但据记者了解,目前媒体公开报道的高铁试验最高时速为520公里。

  中国南车董事长赵小刚曾表示,500公里高速试验列车并不会投入商业运营,而是旨在推动动车的智能化程度和安全监控水平。

  ■ 对话

  “将不靠人控制车速”

  工程院士丁荣军表示高速列车速度受多种制约,但运营速度肯定要提高

  昨日,科技部印发《高速列车科技发展“十二五”专项规划》,中国工程院院士、中国南车株洲电力机车研究所所长丁荣军对规划的具体内容进行解读。

  列车各部件将靠电脑检测

  新京报:规划中提到的高铁将使用新型的永磁电机牵引传动技术,这项技术研究到了哪一步?

  丁荣军:还在研发过程中。目前高速动车组所用的牵引技术是交流异步电机牵引。永磁电机牵引最大优势是节能。总的来说,节能百分之十几没问题。

  新京报:规划中提到智能化具体体现在哪些方面?

  丁荣军:智能化表现在对列车速度的控制,以及列车的状态和故障的判定等,就是基本不靠人,而是靠计算机对列车各个位置的部件的检测。

  比如轴承的温度正常是135度,但是到了150度、180度的时候,不是靠人判定的,而是靠计算机通过不同的传感技术判定的。

  未来高速列车种类会更多

  新京报:规划中高速列车谱系化将细化到什么程度?

  丁荣军:从速度等级看,现在有200、250、300、350公里时速,未来可能还有时速180公里、城际160公里等级;从载客上来看,现在主要是8辆和16辆编组的,未来可能还有6辆和12辆编组的。对不同用户的需求,形成系列化的东西。

  新京报:规划中提出,继续提高列车速度。你认为是试验速度还是运营速度?

  丁荣军:肯定是运营速度。

  新京报:你觉得未来的运营速度最高能提高到多少?

  丁荣军:我不能回答。运营速度与车有关,与线路、信号也有关。速度高了以后,线路之间的线间距都要变大,线的拐弯半径都要变大。现在西班牙已经有360公里时速的高铁列车试运行了,我们国家是不是也要那么高,很难说
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Old August 26th, 2012, 08:07 AM   #1154
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575km/h sounds nice

By the way, that picture is not large at all, send more like that one :P
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Okay, this article finally cleared up the confusion we have on this whole CRH6 thing.

1. CRH6-200 is the first actual train built, thus we saw the real train while the CRH6-160 is only a mock up.

2. CRH6-200 is a major design modification of CRH2A utilizing new technologies from CRH380A.

3. CRH6-160 is a major design modification of the CRH6-200.

4. CRH6-160 will use both Siemens and CSR Zhuzhou Times Electric traction system.

5. CRH6 is a joint development by Sifang and Puzhen.

6. Compare to regular CRH trains CRH6 is a intercity train designed to have frequent stops, large passenger load, and tight passenger load/unload schedule.



集团黄贵生副总经理带队参加CHR6型动车组技术方案审查会

日期:2012-7-9  来源:广东铁投集团综合法务部


6月29日-30日,铁道部科技司、运输局会同计划司、安监司,组织西南交通大学、北京交通大学、大连交通大学、中国铁道科学研究院、青岛四方车辆研究所有限公司、长春轨道客车股份有限公司、唐山轨道客车有限责任公司、珠三角城际公司及我集团的动车专家在北京召开了CRH6型城际动车组技术方案评审会议。会议推选国内知名的动车技术专家—西南交大的张卫华教授任专家组组长。我集团黄贵生副总经理、珠三角公司梁育辉副总经理及有关专家参加了会议。

会上,南车集团副总工程师王松文、南车青岛四方机车车辆股份有限公司副总工程师丁叁叁、南车南京浦镇车辆有限公司总工艺师吕任远分别向专家组汇报了和谐号CHR6型动车组技术方案。我集团黄贵生副总经理向大会阐述了德国西门子公司落户江门新会轨道交通产业园对广东省经济发展战略的重要意义。

在听取汇报后,专家组逐一评审了南车集团汇报的CRH6型城际动车组技术方案,包括了时速200公里、时速160公里动车组。CRH6型城际动车组是以CRH2A型动车组为基础,充分借鉴新一代CRH380A型动车组技术创新成果,针对城际运营的需求,结合大载客量、频繁快速启停、快速乘降等城际运营特点和要求,对牵引、制动、网络控制、转向架、车体、车门等系统和部件进行了适应型的改进和提升。

对个别专家就时速160公里CRH6型城际动车组牵引系统采用西门子及株洲时代电气产品技术方案差异的疑问,我集团会同珠三角公司的动车技术人员进行了逐项解释,介绍了整个项目的历史缘由、技术标准等,并及时汇报了省委、省ZF对我省轨道交通产业化的发展规划和相关措施。

6月30日中午在为期两天的紧张会议中,专家组经过深入的质询和讨论,认为评审资料齐全、方法科学、计算与地面试验验证充分、数据翔实、技术方案合理可行,一致同意通过CRH6型城际动车组技术方案评审。并形成最终评审意见:CRH6型城际动车组由四方股份与浦镇公司联合设计,时速160公里城际动车组牵引网络系统采用2种方案(西门子系统和株洲时代系统);时速200公里CRH6型城际动车组与CRH2和CRH380A型动车组技术平台比较属于重大改进型产品,时速160公里CRH6型城际动车组以时速200公里CRH6型城际动车组技术平台为基础开发属于重大改进型产品。

我集团高度重视此次会议的召开,集团主要领导亲自布置工作和研究策略,分管领导带队全程参加了会议。
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Have we seen this picture before?

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A translation of part of that addresses their possible future plans, which appear to currently include R&D for a 'traction drive', possibly inline linear motor sets w/o pantographs and catenaries. This could elevate top commercial speeds to 500 kph with existing tracks as laid.

They are also in long-term R&D for "permanent magnet drive technology".

High-speed rail will be with a new traction technology

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The plan will study, in order to achieve the high-speed train traction drive mode transformation, based on a new type of permanent magnet motor traction drive technology.

China South Locomotive study of the project, 2003 to proceed with the permanent magnet synchronous traction system of basic research, China South Locomotive permanent traction system in the field of electric vehicles for large-scale commercial, in the metro area has more than 7000 kilometers of testing, upcoming large-scale commercial.

China South Locomotive is currently being developed permanent magnet drive high-speed EMU is expected next year will be off the assembly line.

The various components in the permanent transmission mode is substantially without physical contact, so the energy transfer fast, low breakage, more than 15% energy saving.

According to the Chinese Academy of Engineering, China CSR Zhuzhou Electric Locomotive Research Institute director Ding Rongjun permanent magnet drive technology still in the research and development process.
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Have we seen this picture before?

No, we haven't. Great picture.
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A translation of part of that addresses their possible future plans, which appear to currently include R&D for a 'traction drive', possibly inline linear motor sets w/o pantographs and catenaries. This could elevate top commercial speeds to 500 kph with existing tracks as laid.

They are also in long-term R&D for "permanent magnet drive technology".

High-speed rail will be with a new traction technology
According to the article HSR trainset based on permanent magnet drive technology is currently under development at CSR and will roll out next year.
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I've never seen these before. The CRH500 looks great.

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Okay, this article finally cleared up the confusion we have on this whole CRH6 thing.

1. CRH6-200 is the first actual train built, thus we saw the real train while the CRH6-160 is only a mock up.

2. CRH6-200 is a major design modification of CRH2A utilizing new technologies from CRH380A.

3. CRH6-160 is a major design modification of the CRH6-200.

4. CRH6-160 will use both Siemens and CSR Zhuzhou Times Electric traction system.

5. CRH6 is a joint development by Sifang and Puzhen.

6. Compare to regular CRH trains CRH6 is a intercity train designed to have frequent stops, large passenger load, and tight passenger load/unload schedule.



集团黄贵生副总经理带队参加CHR6型动车组技术方案审查会

日期:2012-7-9  来源:广东铁投集团综合法务部


6月29日-30日,铁道部科技司、运输局会同计划司、安监司,组织西南交通大学、北京交通大学、大连交通大学、中国铁道科学研究院、青岛四方车辆研究所有限公司、长春轨道客车股份有限公司、唐山轨道客车有限责任公司、珠三角城际公司及我集团的动车专家在北京召开了CRH6型城际动车组技术方案评审会议。会议推选国内知名的动车技术专家—西南交大的张卫华教授任专家组组长。我集团黄贵生副总经理、珠三角公司梁育辉副总经理及有关专家参加了会议。

会上,南车集团副总工程师王松文、南车青岛四方机车车辆股份有限公司副总工程师丁叁叁、南车南京浦镇车辆有限公司总工艺师吕任远分别向专家组汇报了和谐号CHR6型动车组技术方案。我集团黄贵生副总经理向大会阐述了德国西门子公司落户江门新会轨道交通产业园对广东省经济发展战略的重要意义。

在听取汇报后,专家组逐一评审了南车集团汇报的CRH6型城际动车组技术方案,包括了时速200公里、时速160公里动车组。CRH6型城际动车组是以CRH2A型动车组为基础,充分借鉴新一代CRH380A型动车组技术创新成果,针对城际运营的需求,结合大载客量、频繁快速启停、快速乘降等城际运营特点和要求,对牵引、制动、网络控制、转向架、车体、车门等系统和部件进行了适应型的改进和提升。

对个别专家就时速160公里CRH6型城际动车组牵引系统采用西门子及株洲时代电气产品技术方案差异的疑问,我集团会同珠三角公司的动车技术人员进行了逐项解释,介绍了整个项目的历史缘由、技术标准等,并及时汇报了省委、省ZF对我省轨道交通产业化的发展规划和相关措施。

6月30日中午在为期两天的紧张会议中,专家组经过深入的质询和讨论,认为评审资料齐全、方法科学、计算与地面试验验证充分、数据翔实、技术方案合理可行,一致同意通过CRH6型城际动车组技术方案评审。并形成最终评审意见:CRH6型城际动车组由四方股份与浦镇公司联合设计,时速160公里城际动车组牵引网络系统采用2种方案(西门子系统和株洲时代系统);时速200公里CRH6型城际动车组与CRH2和CRH380A型动车组技术平台比较属于重大改进型产品,时速160公里CRH6型城际动车组以时速200公里CRH6型城际动车组技术平台为基础开发属于重大改进型产品。

我集团高度重视此次会议的召开,集团主要领导亲自布置工作和研究策略,分管领导带队全程参加了会议。
I wonder why the CRH6-160 gets the "CRH" designation if running less than 200km/h is not officially high speed.

Also why would they put work into designing a slower CRH6-160 instead of making one type of CRH6 (example CRH6-200) and run it slower on lines it needs to be slower on. Maybe I shouldn't be confused but I am when it comes to the CRH6.

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