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Old August 30th, 2012, 08:25 AM   #1161
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I've never seen these before. The CRH500 looks great.



I wonder why the CRH6-160 gets the "CRH" designation if running less than 200km/h is not officially high speed.

Also why would they put work into designing a slower CRH6-160 instead of making one type of CRH6 (example CRH6-200) and run it slower on lines it needs to be slower on. Maybe I shouldn't be confused but I am when it comes to the CRH6.
The CRH designation apparently is used to cover all EMUs in China, so it's used more loosely than we'd like here. Plus I believe the 160km/h variant can actually go 200km/h max, so if it's running on an upgraded existing line it's considered HSR.

I think your second question is a good one as that's what I first thought too. As the article I quoted said, the first CRH6, the 200-250km variant, is basically a downgraded CRH2A to suit intercity traffic. That's fine since you can run a 200km/h train efficiently at 160km/h. Downgrade it again to make a 160-200km/h variant seems redundant to me. The only thing I can think of is that the 160km/h variant will be built at the Guangzhou Railway Group's Jiangmen City Xinhui CRH Manufacturing and Maintenance Base. This variant may be designed to be simpler to built for a new comer, also cheaper to purchase and run.
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Old September 2nd, 2012, 09:24 AM   #1162
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Old September 4th, 2012, 12:28 AM   #1164
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This must be the High Speed CRH6. The aisle looks really wide.

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The CRH designation apparently is used to cover all EMUs in China, so it's used more loosely than we'd like here. Plus I believe the 160km/h variant can actually go 200km/h max, so if it's running on an upgraded existing line it's considered HSR.

I think your second question is a good one as that's what I first thought too. As the article I quoted said, the first CRH6, the 200-250km variant, is basically a downgraded CRH2A to suit intercity traffic. That's fine since you can run a 200km/h train efficiently at 160km/h. Downgrade it again to make a 160-200km/h variant seems redundant to me. The only thing I can think of is that the 160km/h variant will be built at the Guangzhou Railway Group's Jiangmen City Xinhui CRH Manufacturing and Maintenance Base. This variant may be designed to be simpler to built for a new comer, also cheaper to purchase and run.
Yeah, maybe downgrading lessens the cost of the slower train. Maybe it's like using an compact economy car instead of a Ferrari to go to work every day.
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Old September 4th, 2012, 09:56 AM   #1165
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From people with inside information CRH6-200 is pretty much just a CRH2A with a modified body and domestic train networks so it'll still be pretty expensive, CRH6-160 OTOH is suppose to be much cheaper to build and run, it probably will only retain the CRH2A's chassis structure.
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Old September 5th, 2012, 02:15 AM   #1166
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From people with inside information CRH6-200 is pretty much just a CRH2A with a modified body and domestic train networks so it'll still be pretty expensive, CRH6-160 OTOH is suppose to be much cheaper to build and run, it probably will only retain the CRH2A's chassis structure.
I see...can't wait to see these CRH6 and CRH500's running. The CRH380D's should be around the corner if they're not running already. My favorite look is the CRH3/CRH380B though.

CRH 380D(probably already posted somewhere in this thread):


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Old September 5th, 2012, 03:01 AM   #1167
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380D is sure sexy. But still it is my #2
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Old September 5th, 2012, 07:36 PM   #1168
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My favorite, strangely, are some of the pre-CRH EMUs, the CSR Puzheng Pioneer, for example. I like the reserved look of those models.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 07:24 AM   #1169
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China's 500 km/h train is the sexiest train I've ever seen.
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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:05 AM   #1170
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China's 500 km/h train is the sexiest train I've ever seen.
You have a weird concept of sexy

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Old September 7th, 2012, 08:15 AM   #1171
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The second I saw the model of that train, this pupped up to my mind:

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Old September 8th, 2012, 10:23 AM   #1172
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Zefiro 250NG included in revised high speed train contract
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05 September 2012

CHINA: After reviewing its operational strategy, the Ministry of Railways has issued a variation order to its 2009 contract under which the Bombardier Sifang (Qingdao) Transportation joint venture was to supply 20 eight-car and 60 16-car high speed trainsets.



The number of 380 km/h trainsets has now been reduced, and more 250 km/h trains ordered with the aim of increasing operational flexibility.

The contract will now cover the supply of:
  • 70 eight-car Zefiro 380 trains, with a top speed of 380 km/h.
  • 46 Zefiro 250 trains.
  • 60 Zefiro 250NG trains.

Announcing the order on September 5, Bombardier said there would be no change to the original contract value of 27·4bn yuan.

The Zefiro 250 design is already in service, with 115 trainsets totalling 1 200 cars currently in operation.

The Zefiro 250NG will be a new product, an evolution of the Zefiro 250 'to meet the future demands of the Chinese rail market' and intended to enhance Bombardier's competitiveness. It will feature a new aluminium bodyshell to reduce weight compared with the stainless steel Zefiro 250, as well as enhanced traction systems, optimised aerodynamics and lower energy consumption.

'China has a clear vision of the role the world's largest high speed rail network will play in supporting sustainable transportation for the 21st century', said Jianwei Zhang, President of Bombardier China. 'The country is selecting the most advanced technologies to build a network that offers not only high speed but also unprecedented operating efficiency, reliability and capacity.'
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Old September 8th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #1173
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People have been speculating that the entire CRH380D project may be a limited number run due to the availability of the mature CRH380A/B. The D is mostly a Bombardier with minimum domestic input so it's originally conceived as an insurance policy to the largely domestic CRH380A. The number of trainsets is only reduced by 10 but capacity has been cut by half. That shows they want to maintain frequencies on 300km/h+ lines, but realized that demand fluctuates quite a bit.
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Old September 8th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #1174
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This is a good sign for CRH-380A/Bs and possibly for the next generation model.
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Old September 17th, 2012, 05:22 AM   #1175
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Trains ready for Beijing-Shijiazhuang HSR opening



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Old September 28th, 2012, 06:38 AM   #1176
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536km Zheengzhou-Wuhan HSR opens today

There will be 27 CRHs running on the new line: 17 CRH380ALs, 2 CRH2Cs, 4 CRH380BLs and 4 CRH3s.



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Great pictures big-dog, I like the CRH variety of trains.
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Old September 29th, 2012, 02:52 AM   #1178
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536km Zheengzhou-Wuhan HSR opens today

There will be 27 CRHs running on the new line: 17 CRH380ALs, 2 CRH2Cs, 4 CRH380BLs and 4 CRH3s.



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Old September 30th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #1179
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CSR at InnoTrans 2012, pics are from InnoTrans.






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Old October 1st, 2012, 09:37 AM   #1180
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Larger pic of CRH6-200 at CSR Qingdao Sifang.

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