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Old October 4th, 2010, 02:37 AM   #101
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Have you seen European (especially German) high speed trains?

I think they are better designed with respect to style and function.

Chinese designers have a long way to go before they can catch up with Western designers.

Taste is not something to be cultivated in a matter of years. It will take decades.
I've been on French, Italian, and Swiss HSRs, and I took the CRH3, which at least looks the same as the Siemens Velaro in China. I do know my HSR, and the CRH380A the best I've seen.
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Old October 4th, 2010, 02:49 AM   #102
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Can't wait for the maglev in China and other faster trains that can reach 600 km/h come out and operating
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Old October 4th, 2010, 01:16 PM   #103
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Have you seen European (especially German) high speed trains?

I think they are better designed with respect to style and function.

Chinese designers have a long way to go before they can catch up with Western designers.

Taste is not something to be cultivated in a matter of years. It will take decades.
um, earlier it was the true "speed", now it is the "taste". All I see though is someone crawling back into his little shell bit by bit, offended by the reality that is inexorably encroaching upon his imaginary world
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Old October 4th, 2010, 01:19 PM   #104
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Can't wait for the maglev in China and other faster trains that can reach 600 km/h come out and operating
id like to see the swissmetro vacum-tube concept miself but thats a reach
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Old October 5th, 2010, 01:45 AM   #105
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I love how the window shoppers first argued how everything China had were exact copies of their trains. Now they're saying how the differences make theirs better. Stop contradicting yourselves. If it's bad, it's your bad.
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Old October 5th, 2010, 02:56 AM   #106
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I love how the window shoppers first argued how everything China had were exact copies of their trains. Now they're saying how the differences make theirs better. Stop contradicting yourselves. If it's bad, it's your bad.
Dear Bandit,

China did import western railways HST technology. They have implemented it and now they are starting to manufacture ther own earlier chinese VHST versions.

Soon the Chinese will export their own VHST technology worldwide with tailor made products to suit local makets.

As you know the train was invented in the UK, then exported worldwide and nowadays the UK buy German, French and Japanese trains.

In the future Europe and the rest of the world will buy Chinese trains.

Also China, for demographical and geographical reason, is well suited for the further development of maglev technology....


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Old October 5th, 2010, 11:59 AM   #107
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Dear Bandit,

China did import western railways HST technology. They have implemented it and now they are starting to manufacture ther own earlier chinese VHST versions.

Soon the Chinese will export their own VHST technology worldwide with tailor made products to suit local makets.

As you know the train was invented in the UK, then exported worldwide and nowadays the UK buy German, French and Japanese trains.

In the future Europe and the rest of the world will buy Chinese trains.

Also China, for demographical and geographical reason, is well suited for the further development of maglev technology....
Good, let's have this race. Let's have this race the same way the world had a space race during the Cold War. We put a man on the moon then, and now we'll shrink Eurasia with maglev lines. Let's do it!
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Old October 5th, 2010, 11:39 PM   #108
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Good, let's have this race. Let's have this race the same way the world had a space race during the Cold War. We put a man on the moon then, and now we'll shrink Eurasia with maglev lines. Let's do it!
In a few decades we might well have a few continental/intercontinental maglev lines. Who knows.....
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Old October 7th, 2010, 09:43 AM   #109
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We're also hearing that for decades, so I don't hold my breath anymore
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Old October 7th, 2010, 02:46 PM   #110
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Looking at the interior I get the impression that all seats are orientated in the same direction. Do these seats rotate?
Revolving seats are industry standard today.

On another note I think they should have been more radical with the seat design, this is just the standard airplane seat which in my opinion is to bulky and oldfashion.

With a modern approach they could have used more lightweight seats offering more legroom and thus comfort. Instead they choose the visual approach which is an old and stupid idea that unless the seats look comfortable they will not attract travelers.
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Old October 7th, 2010, 02:59 PM   #111
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I have to say that the Maglev system excites me much more... the future should be in investing into that technology...
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Old October 7th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #112
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Zefiro 380 - CRH380C at The international trade fair for transport technology, Berlin, Germany, the CHinese MOR had orderd 80 CRH380C trains in 2009 and according to most recently news, the first set eill be ready by 2011.


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Old October 8th, 2010, 06:02 AM   #113
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Old October 8th, 2010, 06:19 PM   #114
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the fastest way to save the planet lol
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Old October 9th, 2010, 04:01 AM   #115
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Zefiro is nice!
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Old October 9th, 2010, 06:26 PM   #116
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the fastest way to save the planet lol
yeah, ha ha ha! and its true!
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #117
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While the Zefiro is a wonderful train, what is the point of it if they have the CRH380A? China strikes me (perhaps Spain as well) as the only country out there that uses multiple train systems versus say, the singular successive TGV and ICE versions. I can see the logic behind it, but I'm just wondering why.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 05:37 PM   #118
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While the Zefiro is a wonderful train, what is the point of it if they have the CRH380A?
To "obtain" tech from as many foreign train makers as possible.

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China strikes me (perhaps Spain as well) as the only country out there that uses multiple train systems versus say, the singular successive TGV and ICE versions. I can see the logic behind it, but I'm just wondering why.
France and Germany have indigenous high speed rail technology, China and Spain don't and are foreign vendor reliant. You have a multi-vendor situation when you depend on foreigners for technology.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 07:22 PM   #119
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While the Zefiro is a wonderful train, what is the point of it if they have the CRH380A? China strikes me (perhaps Spain as well) as the only country out there that uses multiple train systems versus say, the singular successive TGV and ICE versions. I can see the logic behind it, but I'm just wondering why.
You are forgetting an important one: Japan. Japan has many different bullet train types.

For the Chinese case, the market is just too big. Look at the numbers they order you will understand why they need more than one supplier.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 07:25 PM   #120
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HM HST of bullshit doing the woodpecker again!

I suppose Rotem has indigenous technology.... ohhh yeahhh!
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